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Sep 18 08 7:58 PM
Gormuu wrote: fourcolorcure wrote: My shop got it in, but I didn't pre-order it. When I asked around to see if this was worth picking up the best I could get from anyone was that it's "alright". This is the same response I got regarding next month's X-Men Masterwork. Oh, well, more money for other books! I think if you asked the same question on this forum, you'd get a few different perspectives!
fourcolorcure wrote: My shop got it in, but I didn't pre-order it. When I asked around to see if this was worth picking up the best I could get from anyone was that it's "alright". This is the same response I got regarding next month's X-Men Masterwork. Oh, well, more money for other books!
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Sep 18 08 8:26 PM
I enjoy this forum's ability to seduce the money out of my pocket before it burns a hole through and without that pre-order hype my LCS owner cannot support the lapdancing industry in the manner to which those ladies have grown accustomed!
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Sep 18 08 10:22 PM
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Sep 18 08 11:20 PM
warlock664 wrote: Tales of Wonder lists this as "Usually Ships In 1-3 Business Days" , but I haven't received my shipping notice yet. Hmmm.
Sep 19 08 12:14 AM
Medieval Guy wrote: warlock664 wrote: Tales of Wonder lists this as "Usually Ships In 1-3 Business Days" , but I haven't received my shipping notice yet. Hmmm. Mine shipped today (from ToW)...
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Sep 19 08 11:31 AM
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warlock664 wrote: Lockjaw wrote: Don't agree that Kirby was 'phoning it in' Firstly he was mandated by Marvel to do single issue stories from 94-101. It's hard to do very compelling stories as single issues at that point in FFs history. Romita Sr. & Buscema weren't forced to do single issue stories (I don't think there were ANY from 103 to 125.) Next Kirby wasn't going to create any new characters for Marvel during that late stage in his tenure, so the villains from that era were Stan Lee ideas. Monocle, 'Creature', android versions of their claasic foes from issue 100, the Maggia etc. In FF 105-116 you get two issues involving 'Rambows' creature, a negative zone arc, a ,Thing becomes human' arc, a classic Thing vs Hulk battle (that no doubt would be just as classic if Kirby had drawn it), and the 'Overmind epic' ( which arguably is just a Galactus rehash with the 'Dr Doom as an member twist. I'm not saying the last Kirby volume was better--only that other factors made it fairly weak not having to do with 'phoning it in.' Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'd have to agree with the "phoning it in" assessment. How else can you justify the drastic reduction in panels in those late-60s Kirby FFs ? The overuse of four-panel (and fewer) pages in those issues is ridiculous. And regarding your mention of Kirby being unwilling at that point in his tenure to contribute any new concepts or villains ? If that doesn't define "phoning it in" , I don't know what does. And while I'm sure Kirby would've drawn a decent "Thing vs Hulk" battle in #112, I can't imagine it being better than the job handed in by Big John Buscema. I for one am looking forward to this first post-Kirby FF volume, with the new life that was breathed into a stagnating title.
Lockjaw wrote: Don't agree that Kirby was 'phoning it in' Firstly he was mandated by Marvel to do single issue stories from 94-101. It's hard to do very compelling stories as single issues at that point in FFs history. Romita Sr. & Buscema weren't forced to do single issue stories (I don't think there were ANY from 103 to 125.) Next Kirby wasn't going to create any new characters for Marvel during that late stage in his tenure, so the villains from that era were Stan Lee ideas. Monocle, 'Creature', android versions of their claasic foes from issue 100, the Maggia etc. In FF 105-116 you get two issues involving 'Rambows' creature, a negative zone arc, a ,Thing becomes human' arc, a classic Thing vs Hulk battle (that no doubt would be just as classic if Kirby had drawn it), and the 'Overmind epic' ( which arguably is just a Galactus rehash with the 'Dr Doom as an member twist. I'm not saying the last Kirby volume was better--only that other factors made it fairly weak not having to do with 'phoning it in.'
Yeah, he was pretty mediocre on hero vs hero battles.
Sep 19 08 5:15 PM
Sep 19 08 6:43 PM
Yeah, he was pretty mediocre on hero vs hero battles." Sheesh, just because I hold a different opinion than you, don't take it so personally, Lockjaw. For the record, in agreeing with an earlier poster's remark, I'm not suggesting that Kirby's work on those later FFs was poor, merely that, by his own previous standards, it did amount to "phoning it in" at that point. Sorry if you don't agree, but that's your right. But I won't apologize for my opinion, or be convinced that it's incorrect. I realize I'm in a distinct minority around here with my lack of reverence for anything Jack did comics-related , but the first Marvel comic I bought was in June 1971, well after Kirby departed Marvel, and my first real exposure to his work (other than the occasional reprint) was the late-70s material he did for Marvel, which I believe many would agree was sub-standard for him. But "IN MY OPINION", the art on FF #112 by John Buscema was far more appealing than anything Kirby would have been capable of. I acknowledge that many others would disagree, but I do know what *I* like. Now, when I mentioned the reduction in panel count, I hadn't pulled out my Masterworks to count them up , so my estimation of the exact period in which that occured in was off a bit. I just had a general sense, from a prior reading of those late-60s FFs, that the reduction in panels-per-issue was extreme. I certainly haven't been counting panels for 40 years. Anyway, I'm not interested in engaging in a "back and forth" that would further take this thread off topic, so I'll try not to antagonize you any further.
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Sep 20 08 3:02 PM
I don't feel bad about getting off-topic here because the matter of Vol 11 being shipped has been settled and the thread is moot otherwise. Peace.
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Sep 27 08 1:48 PM
My copy is being shipped out Monday from TOW along with Spider-man 10 and Atlas Heroes 3. (My most anticipated shipment to date I think) My first FF was #109 before collecting the back issues. Issues 111- 116 were books I re-read to death! IMO they were classic stories that stood out amongst the best Lee-Kirby stories before them!! (Especially 116). Issues #120-128 were great as well and I look forward to FF MW #12. As to the talk about single issue stories, the powers that be instructed all creative teams to cut back to single issue stories at that time to help draw new readers to to the books without feeling lost all of the time. The Prowler story in Spider-man #78-79 was supposed to be a three parter but the word came down and we had singles for a while. That only lasted a few months on most titles however the FF went much longer.
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