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TODD TAMANEND CLARK	Re: CREATIVE DREAM TEAMS	#41	[-]
Posts: 6384 Sep 14 08 2:22 PM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	deejayway: "Todd, I know Andrew was taking the piss, but I'm starting to suspect you're doing the same..." I can see why you'd think that, but I sincerely would love to see all the series that I'm imagining on this thread. And I have deliberate reasoning behind every choice. TODD TAMANEND CLARK Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.facebook.com/pages/TODD-TAMANEND-CLARK/310078925187 Last Edited By: TODD TAMANEND CLARK Sep 14 08 2:26 PM. Edited 1 times.
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK	Re: CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN	#42	[-]
Posts: 6384 Sep 14 08 2:38 PM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	deejayway: "I'm curious why you'd prefer to see Lee, Kirby & Sinnott on the Challengers of the Unknown, rather than the FF. I don't know much about the Challs, but is there anything to distinguish the concept positively from the FF. It always seemed pretty generic to me." The other three Challengers are somewhat generic, but Prof Haley and June Robbins are two of my favorite characters from the silver age. If Jack Schiff and Jack Kirby wouldn't have had their law suit, Kirby would have continued to work on Green Arrow and Challengers Of The Unknown at DC instead of switching to Marvel. Just imagine The Challengers confronting all those very creative monsters that Kirby ended up putting in Strange Tales, etc... (Also, no one inks Kirby better than Sinnott, and Lee could have kicked the characters personalities up a notch.) TODD TAMANEND CLARK Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.facebook.com/pages/TODD-TAMANEND-CLARK/310078925187
Lee Semmens		#43	[-]
Posts: 4152 Sep 15 08 12:53 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	ntnon wrote: Lee Semmens wrote: I am not very familiar with Tom Palmer's inking, Deejayway. Did he ever do anything for DC? If he has I haven't seen it. This Tom Palmer (Jr.) has several DC inking credits, purportedly starting in the early 1970s [probably Sr.], but mostly concentrated between 1997 and 1999 on Steel and various Superman titles, etc. This Tom Palmer (Sr.) was supposedly the inker of Action #749, Adventures of Superman #563, 570, Superman #140, Superman & Bugs Bunny #1-3, The Superman Monster, Superman: MoS #84, 92, Batman: Two Faces, Team Superman Secret Files, Gotham Knights #15 and Batman Villains Secret Files. BUT. There appears to be some confusion between the two in those listings (particularly the CBDb). Mr Palmer Sr. is also listed as inking himself in a story in the DC/Paradox Press Big Book of Losers. Ntnon, I've never actually read (or even seen) any of those comics, and in fact most of them come in the period well after I lose interest in DC comics.
Lee Semmens		#44	[-]
Posts: 4152 Sep 15 08 1:17 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	deejayway wrote: Lee Semmens wrote: I am not very familiar with Tom Palmer's inking, Deejayway. Did he ever do anything for DC? If he has I haven't seen it. I must say I can find Dick Giordano's inking of Neal Adams pretty hard to tell apart from Adams' self-inking. I think Adams inking is quite easy to tell from Giordano's. He has a smoother and slicker brushstroke. Giordano's line tends to be thinner and "scratchier". Compare the majority of GL/GAs, which were inked by Giordano with issues 76 and 85, which are exclusively Adams. I admit, the difference isn't startling but it is noticeable. Nevertheless, Giordano did do a fine job over Adams in general, much better than the likes of Frank Giacoa. I do, however, prefer the issue inked by Dan Adkins (#79). Berni Wrightson pitch-hit some nice inks too on #83 Other great samples of Adams inking himself are Batman #251 and House of Mystery #186 Adams himself said he felt Palmer came closest to his own inks, even though he felt Palmer was a bit too overwhelming at times. If you're not aware of Adams' work at Marvel Lee, pick up X-Men Masterworks Vol. 6 as it contains the whole Adams/Palmer run. It's a treat! Still the best Masterworks so far. Not doubting you, but I have noticed in the past that some websites, such as the GCD, have also had trouble telling the difference between Adams and Giordano inks of Adams, where they were not credited in the story. But I will pay even more attention to the finer details on my next rereading of these comics. I have all the Green Lantern and Batman comics you cited (most were fairly expensive), and even read X-Men Masterworks Vol. 6 (the only Masterworks I have ever read); despite the very nice art I sold it a couple of years ago, mainly because I didn't really see the point in keeping it in complete isolation, but perhaps I should have hung on to it. Deejayway, have you ever read Batman #232 by Adams and Giordano? It is one of the finest examples ever of synergy in comics in my opinion, and one of my all time favorite comics; I could (and have) read it again and again. It is fiendishly difficult to get the original issue in any condition at any price, and practically impossible in higher grades for a reasonable price.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK	Re: BATWOMAN	#45	[-]
Posts: 6384 Sep 15 08 5:01 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	deejayway: "I'm sorry, Todd, I don't see Wood and Sienkiewicz meshing in any way. I think it would be a disservice to both great artists. And let's face it, both men need artistic collaborators like a bull needs mammaries." They are indeed both totally capable of doing brilliant fully-finished art all on their own, but Wally Wood would have drawn Kathy Kane as stunningly beautiful, and Bill Sienkiewicz, who in more recent years does more inking of other artists that people often realize, would have added a surrealistic edge to the proceedings. TODD TAMANEND CLARK Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.facebook.com/pages/TODD-TAMANEND-CLARK/310078925187
deejayway		#46	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 15 08 6:05 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Lee Semmens wrote: Deejayway, have you ever read Batman #232 by Adams and Giordano? It is one of the finest examples ever of synergy in comics in my opinion, and one of my all time favorite comics; I could (and have) read it again and again. It is fiendishly difficult to get the original issue in any condition at any price, and practically impossible in higher grades for a reasonable price. I don't have a copy of the original unfortunately but I know it well, the introduction of Ra's a Ghul. I was actually just paging through my Batman Illustrated by Neal Adams library yesterday because of this thread and I was marvelling at how well Adams and Giordano meshed on Batman. The Adams/Giordano artwork on those early Ra's a Ghul issues are among my favourite issues of Batman period, artwise. It must be obvious by now that I'm not a huge O'Neil fan. I hate his characterisations and particularly his faux hip dialogue but his stories offered a perfect vehicle for Adams and Giordano to exell. As much as I like #232, I prefer their other two Ra's a Ghul issues; #244 & #245 more. Particularly the latter, with it's blistering desert scenes and smashing conclusion. It's my second favourite Adams' Batman. My absolute fave is #251, the Joker story. I also like #234 (featuring Two-Face) a lot, especially the electrifying splashpage. Another absolute favourite is Brave & Bold #93. It has one the best Bat pages in history. I'll scan it later, just cos I can...
AussieStu		#47	[-]
Posts: 11802 Sep 15 08 6:42 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	... I have to agree with DJ here, Palmer is a better inker on Adams than Giordono ... Giordono is sharp and scratchy, where Palmer inks in Adam's style ... if you look at Green Lantern 85 and compare it to X-men comics you would swear it was inked by the same guy The Negative Zone Stan Lee, 1968: " ... And we talk it out. Lately, I've had Roy Thomas come in, and he sits and makes notes while we discuss it. Then he types them up which gives us a written synopsis. Originally-I have a little tape recorder-I had tried taping it, but then I found no one on staff has time to listen to the tape again later. But this way he makes notes, types it quickly, I get a carbon, the artist gets a carbon...so we don't have to worry that we'll forget what we've said. Then the artist goes home...or wherever he goes...and he draws the thing out, brings it back, and I put the copy in after he's drawn the story based on the plot I've given him. Now this varies with the different artists. Some artists, of course, need a more detailed plot than others. Some artists, such as Jack Kirby, need no plot at all. I mean I'll just say to Jack, 'Let's make the next villain be Dr. Doom'... or I may not even say that. He may tell me. And then he goes home and does it. He's good at plots. I'm sure he's a thousand times better than I. He just about makes up the plots for these stories. All I do is a little editing... I may tell him he's gone too far in one direction or another. Of course, occasionally I'll give him a plot, but we're practically both the writers on the things. "
TODD TAMANEND CLARK	Re: MARVEL ILLUSTRATED	#48	[-]
Posts: 6384 Sep 15 08 12:09 PM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What if Marvel hired Roy Thomas to adapt modern novels for their Marvel Illustrated series? I'd like to see: CARLOS CASTANEDA's THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN Illustrated By Gilbert Hernandez GARY JENNINGS' AZTEC Illustrated By Jaime Hernandez HARLAN ELLISON's DEATHBIRD Illustrated By Bernie Wrightson JACK KEROUAC's ON THE ROAD Illustrated By Howard Chaykin KEN KESEY's ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST Illustrated By David Mack LESLIE MARMON SILKO's ALMANAC OF THE DEAD Illustrated By Timothy Truman N. SCOTT MOMADAY's HOUSE MADE OF DAWN Illustrated By John Severin NORMAN MAILER's THE ARMIES OF THE NIGHT Illustrated By Jim Steranko ROBERT HEINLEIN's STRANGER IN A STRANGE LAND Illustrated By Neal Adams TOM WOLFE's THE ELECTRIC KOOL-AID ACID TEST Illustrated By Rick Veitch WILLIAM BURROUGHS' NOVA EXPRESS Illustrated By Bill Sienkiewicz WILLIAM GIBSON's NEUROMANCER Illustrated By Gene Colan [Only living artists are listed.] TODD TAMANEND CLARK Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.facebook.com/pages/TODD-TAMANEND-CLARK/310078925187
deejayway		#49	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 15 08 1:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Arthur Koestler's Darkness Before Noon, adapted by Warren Ellis and John Bolton. Norman Mailer's Why We're in Vietnam, adapted by Pete Milligan and Kyle Baker. Philip Roth's Portnoy's Complaint, adapted by JM DeMatteis and Ken Barr. Anthony Burgess' A Clockwork Orange, adapted by James Robinson and Micheal Lark & Sean Philips Anthony Burgess' The End of the World News, adapted by Paul Jenkins, with Will Eisner illustrating the Trotsky in New York musical segment, Wally Wood doing the post-apocalyptic sci-fic segment and Berni Krigstein doing the Last days of Freud in Vienna segment. George Orwell's 1984, adapted by Pete Milligan and David Lloyd. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, adapted by Grant Morrison and J.K.Williams III. Robert Anton Wilson's The Illuminatus Trilogy, adapted by Grant Morrison and Paul Gulacy. Norman Mailer's The Naked and the Dead, adapted by Tim Truman and Russ Health.
deejayway		#50	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 15 08 3:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Joseph Heller's Catch 22, adapted by Harvey Kurtzmann & Wally Wood. Bernard Malamud's The Fixer, adapted by JM DeMatteis & Joe Kubert. Philips Roth's Our Gang, adapted by Howard Chaykin & Mort Drucker. George Orwell's Farewell to Catalonia, adapted by Archie Goodwin & John Severin. Gabriel Garcia Marquez' 100 Years of Solitude, adapted by Neil Gaiman & Craig Russell.
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deejayway		#51	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 16 08 6:13 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Here are to Batman pages by Adams I was refering to earlier. I think they perfectly epithomise everything great about Batman as an iconic comic character and Adams as the ulitmate Batman artist. These are Adams' inks too btw. The sleezy (superstitious) crooks. Batman's totemic presence casting a long, forboding shadow. The nocturnal predator. The fierce warrior and the passionate protector of the weak. Look at that rage in the last panel of page 17. It virtually radiates off the page.
Silveragemarvelman		#52	[-]
Posts: 10245 Sep 16 08 10:22 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Beautiful Batman pages, with little or no background on the second, yet still stunning. Adams belonged on Batman. I always wanted to see Berni Wrightson (w/ Walter Gibson) on The Shadow, as advertised before it came out. But I did enjoy Kaluta's Shadow very much.
deejayway		#53	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 18 08 12:07 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Kaluta, Kaluta, Kaluta... Something ornate and illustrative so he can fully utilize his eye for exotic detail. Something vaguely barbaric or medieval. Something Burroughsian instead of Howardian but I'm not really a bit Burroughs fan. I'm leaning slightly towards John Carter of Mars but I never really liked the concept. Still it would give Kaluta the right venue to exercise all his artistic muscles. I've got it. Team thirteen: Neil Gaiman/Mike Kaluta on Elric of Melnibone. I'll even through in Charles Vess as inker so Kaluta can draw a second mag. ;-) Speaking of Vess. It's the Spectre for him. Ostrander wrote a really mean Spectre so that would work again. Yeah. Team fourteen: John Ostrander/Charles Vess on the Spectre. Last Edited By: deejayway Sep 19 08 2:37 AM. Edited 1 times.
jhalbright		#54	[-]
Posts: 9965 Sep 18 08 2:44 PM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	John Buscema on Superman would have worked And it did quite well, too: You can't come to a discussion board and not expect, well, discussion. If you want to dictate the point of view, that's what your blog is for. -- richard63, Feb 12, 2012
deejayway		#55	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 19 08 2:51 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	In the interests of historical accuracy, I am officially changing my choice of writer on Kull. I originally selected John Ostrander for valid reasons but I subsequently choose him for Grim Jack and the Spectre, which is against the rules. tsk, tsk, "this will not do..." I think he is a better fit on the latter two so I'm taking him off Kull (that'll teach ya Ostrander!). Of course that means, I need a new writer for Kull and I still haven't come up with a decent writer to work with Smith on Conan. And I know you're all just dying to hear my verdict. Okaaay (I obviously have loads of time to waste lately ;-). For some reason, Roy Thomas just seems too "old hat" to me, which is one of the reasons I was fine "assigning" him to Savage Sword of Conan with John Buscema and Alfredo Alcala cos that has a real classic feel but I want someone more edgy on Conan with Smith. Not too out there but more contemporary than Thomas. I liked what Michael Carey did on Lucifer, so he can do Conan. So that's: Tean fifteen: Michael Carey/Barry Smith on Conan. Isn't that a relief to all you people keeping score. And now Kull. This might come out of left field but I think it makes some kind of perverse sense: Team two (revised): MIKE GRELL/John Bolton on Kull. Grell makes sense because he swashes a man buckle and has a rich history on sword and sorcery. I'm not really sold on this idea though so I may change my mind. I may just go back on default settings and opt for Moench or Zelenetz, both of whom were good on Kull. But that seems too much of a throw back like Thomas. I know there are legions of you out there lurking behind the bushes like hordes of wild, blue-painted picts. I can hear you breathing. How about some suggestions. Come on Kobe-san.
SamyMerchi		#56	[-]
Posts: 15533 Sep 20 08 2:57 PM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Kurt Busiek. Jim Cheung. Titans - Dick Grayson. Wally West. Garth. Donna Troy. Roy Harper. Garfield Logan. Vic Stone. Koriand'r. Raven. Joseph Wilson. Kurt Busiek. Carlos Pacheco. Green Lantern Corps - Non-Earth Green Lanterns. Fabian Nicieza. George Perez. Nightwing - Dick Grayson. Fabian Nicieza. Jim Lee. X-Force - Sam Guthrie. Roberto da Costa. Danielle Moonstar. Rahne Sinclair. Xi'an Coy Manh. Amara Aquilla. Illyana Rasputin. Douglas Ramsey. Warlock. Sally Blevins. Tabitha Smith. Julio Richter. James Proudstar. Gaveedra Seven. Theresa Rourke. It is somewhat cumbersome to specify the characters I want to see, but it is unfortunately necessary in this time and date when companies go: "Hey look, we're giving you Infinity Inc #1! But only, it doesn't have any Infinity Inc characters in it!" "Hey look, we're giving you New Warriors #1! But only, it has only one New Warriors character in it!" "Hey look, we're giving you X-Force #1! But only, it has only one X-Force character in it!" "Hey look, we're giving you Guardians of the Galaxy #1! But only, it has no Guardians of the Galaxy characters in it!" In this day and age you have to be specific about who you want to see or the companies will twist your words and screw you in the rectum. What's more, you have to specifically use the civilian names, or they'll pull a trick like, "Oh look, we're giving you Flash #1! Oh look, it's Bart Allen, not Wally West!" "Oh look, we're giving you Nightwing #118! Oh look, it's Jason Todd, not Dick Grayson!" "Oh look, we're giving you Captain Marvel #1! Oh look, it's a skrull, not Mar-Vell!" Must use civilian names because codenames are interchangeable. Must specify the characters because the team names are interchangeable. Codenames and team names are like a game of musical chairs anymore, and companies love to pull bait and switch by giving a name you like but not the characters. Have to name civilian names to be clear what one wants to see. Last Edited By: SamyMerchi Sep 20 08 3:33 PM. Edited 4 times.
deejayway		#57	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 21 08 5:06 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Well Samy, that's why I haven't chosen a single team book so far. To me, most team books are interchangeable, as are most of the team members. E.g. looking at your proposed X-Force line-up, personally I don't find one of those characters interesting or engaging. And the same would probably hold true if I proposed my ideal Avengers line-up to you. btw, it's Captain America, Hawkeye, the Vision, Goliath (sans Wasp), the Black Night and the Black Panther. (Geez, and all guy group...) You'd probably find that group too boring and (literally) colorless. Alan Moore once said there are no bad properties, simply bad treatments. F'r instance, I really dig Conan and Kull but the creative teams I have proposed for each character would be just as successful on e.g. Kullan the Barbarian. There are a lot of old characters I have a great deal of affection for, which is why I chose them but not many of them are inherently unique, it merely depends on how they are portrayed. I think Batman is one of the most unique (although to me it doesn't matter who lurks beneath the cowl) and for that matter I always thought Spidey was pretty special. It's just he has been so badly treated, I'm no longer interested in him. Then you have your basic cypherlike characters, cheap Batman rip-offs like Moon Knight and DD for instance. Nothing unique about them but great things have been done with them in the right creative hands. It depends a lot too on what you were weaned on. My favourite X-Men line-up is pretty traditional; Cyclops, the Angel, Iceman, the Beast and Wolverine. There hasn't been a single mutant character introduced in the last 30 years, beside Wolverine, who I thought was a worthwhile, interesting character in their own right. Just variations on variations on variations. Last Edited By: deejayway Sep 21 08 5:09 AM. Edited 1 times.
tobehulkinued2		#58	[-]
Posts: 667 Sep 21 08 3:18 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'm not a huge Frank Miller fan, but I would have liked to see him do a run on the Incredible Hulk, as Mr. Fixit or otherwise. Also, a Busiek and Perez Guardians of the Galaxy (old school) series would have been cool. Oh, and Kirby's Fourth World, with Jack's plotting and art but with Stan Lee giving some editiorial and scripting assistance.
deejayway		#59	[-]
Posts: 2891 Sep 23 08 3:37 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'd like to see an adaptation of Kurt Vonnegut's *Slaughterhouse 5* by Howard Chaykin writing and illustrating the sci-fic bits and Russ Heath doing to war segments. I'd also like to see Flann O'Brien's *The Third Policeman* adapted by Neil Gaiman and Bill Sienkiewicz.
Binecon		#60	[-]
Posts: 437 Sep 24 08 10:31 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	On that theme, Chomsky's Hegemony or Survival by Ditko and Ditko.
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