Internet rumor is that the printing error is that a naughty word was covered up by a black box, that black box that wasn't dark enough.
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comicsatemybrain |
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DC has shipped out All-Star Batman & Robin the Boy Wonder. And they've asked that retailers destroy the issue because of a printing error.
Internet rumor is that the printing error is that a naughty word was covered up by a black box, that black box that wasn't dark enough. |
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Fin Fang Foom |
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Several naughty words and several black boxes, I gather.
What puzzles me is the suggestion that the dialog in the word balloons might have printed in a four-color black (essentially, solid black backed up with a small percentage of the other process colors), while the bar that was supposed to obscure it was just a flat black, and not adequately opaque. "Backing up the black" as it's called, is often used to give large flat black areas a more "rich" (and less washed out) appearance, or to ward off problems with trapping (when registration is slightly off) -- but what strikes me as odd is that there's really no need to do that with a fine detail like lettering. It's not really necessary, and against a white background, that would betray even the slightest misregistration. (And even as comics printing and coloring have become more elaborate through the years, lettering inside baloons and caption boxes was genenerally left as only black because it was easiest to strip out that detail from just that one plate for foreign licensees and reprints.) And before the usual suspects start speculating on who might lose a job over this, this is an error that would be difficult, if not impossible to spot without a very specific type of proof, or a press proof. (It was probably caught on one of the unbound "last chance copies," when the books have been printed and bound, but there's still time to do something.) |
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comicsatemybrain |
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Yeah, that gets at what I've been wondering. Why even bother to set up the pages with those words in the first place in case the obscuring bars don't
work? Especially if errors of the sort that happened are tough to see in the proof stage, as you point out? I mean, why even take the risk?
My understanding is that a similar problem happened with (IIRC) Civil War Director's Cut (although it wasn't dirty words, it was a plot reveal re: who was running around NYC in a Daredevil costume). One would think that previous experience might influence folks to approach this sort of thing in a different way... although to be fair, the earlier problem occurred at a different company and as a result that might not have given DC impetus to create any sort of policy about this kind of endeavor. Also, by way of an update: folks who go to the link I gave above will be able to find a link that shows photos of the pages in question. |
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK |
END ALL CENSORSHIP ON THE PLANET NOW! | ||
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I am completely opposed to the censorship of any words whatsoever -- anytime, anywhere, by anyone, for any reason!!!
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.myspace.com/toddtamanendclark |
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comicsatemybrain |
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Well, I guess in this case the words weren't really censored, were they?
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drumore |
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What puzzles me is the suggestion that the dialog in the word balloons might have printed in a four-color black (essentially, solid black backed up with a small percentage of the other process colors), while the bar that was supposed to obscure it was just a flat black, and not adequately opaque. It was the other way around. The bars were Rich Black, while the lettering was only 100K (and apparently layered on top of the bars), making the letters slightly lighter than the bars. Relax Todd. The "censorship bars" were part of Miller's script, not something imposed by DC. Rather than having toned down language or symbols, he wanted it to have the feel and appearance of being censored.
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Fin Fang Foom |
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I see. So it sounds like the lettering was knocked out of the rich black (creating a gap in the other color plates in the black bars) rather than surprinted. Yeah, that would do it. And it'd be all but impossible to spot on a proof unless you got a Cromalin, or looked at proofs of all of the seperate plates. |
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David P Lyons |
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comicsatemybrain wrote: It especially wasn't censorship when one remembers that it's DC's comic book and press: they can print what they like. |
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Gary Dunaier |
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Are retailers contractually obligated to comply with DC's request?
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Fin Fang Foom |
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I don't think so. And it's not something DC seems to go to great lengths to enforce. |
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comicsatemybrain |
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Gary Dunaier wrote:Probably not, since there is no mention that they have to return any evidence of destruction. (In the old days, newstands were supposed to return the covers of books that were destroyed for credit.) One retailer that I know speculated that Diamond may have been going through retailers' shipments to pull the issue and destroy it themselves. This is speculative, though, and we'll all know later today whether that actually took place to any significant degree. Some have suggested that by not requiring retailers to provide evidence of the destroyed copies, some customers who don't normally pick up the book will be seeking out the naughty version... and that if you get more copies into the hands of more people, then a few of them might be inclined to pick up issue #11. Not sure I'm a big believer in that, though, since so. much. time. passes. between. issues. ...makes it hard to believe in momentum from one issue to the next, y'know? |
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Fin Fang Foom |
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I doubt there's any ulterior motive involved -- it's just easier to ask that retailers honor the request to dispose of the books than to make arrangements to have them returned, pay for shipping or credit accounts for the expense just to dispose of them. |
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Gotta say I'm not surprised that DC is trying to pulp these after reading the not-so-well-censored words. What the? I'm for free speech and
definitely wouldn't call myself a prude or conservative, but when did heroes (or villains for that matter) become such potty-mouths? And people had a fit
when Dr. Doom called Ms. Marvel "a cow"! I suppose I shouldn't be surprised when Batman started calling himself the "g-d Batman" but
would someone please tell Frank Miller that this isn't Sin City. Actually, I can't even recall his own Sin City having such strong language. This
sounds like the writings of a 13-year-old who thinks being cool and cutting edge is to be vulgar.
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Fin Fang Foom |
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I'll admit, I was reading the few pages completely out of context -- but stuff like this makes me sad that we still haven't found a happy medium where comics can appeal to adults without being completely inappropriate for a younger audience. |
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you're missing the point. The words weren't supposed to be legible. Putting the black bars there were a different method of doing "$#$%*@"
In this case, unfortunately, the words were still legible, ruining the effect.
Hey Chicago, whadda say? The Cubs are gonna win today. Go Cubs Go. Go Cubs Go. Hey Chicago, whadda say? The Cubs are gonna win today.
They got the power, they got the speed, to be the best in the National League. Well this is the year and Cubs are real, so come on down to Wrigley Field. They're singing... Go Cubs Go. Go Cubs Go. Hey Chicago, whadda say? The Cubs are gonna win today |
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droid714 |
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My LCS didn't receive his copies today. Assuming Diamond must have pulled them.
ATLAS ERA SUPERHERO REVIVAL OMNIBUS!
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK |
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Fang Foom: "Stuff like this makes me sad that we still haven't found a happy medium where comics can appeal to adults without being completely
inappropriate for a younger audience."
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.myspace.com/toddtamanendclark |
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Ferjo Byroy |
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My LCS told me that only the stores that pick up their shipments on tuesdays got the All-Star Batman and Robin #10's. I got the 1/10 variant this morning
before he was fully aware of the rarity of it. He told me later his standard copies were flying off eBay for $50 a pop. I got lucky I guess.
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Not surprisingly, my LCS (here in Mexico City) got two dozen copies of this.
The owner was kind enough to sell me one at cover price (he's an old mate) but you should've SEEN the shite-eating grin on his face. I think you could actually see the dollar sign glowing in his eyes. (Indeed, the only reason I even KNEW he had a dozen copies was because he showed them to me in the back-room of his store. NO WAY was he offering them for sale on his tables) |
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Fin Fang Foom |
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It's not just the language I'm referring to. In fact, it's not really even just this story -- it's just mainstream super-hero comics in general. I believe it's entirely possible to tell good stories that appeal to a wide audience, that can be entertaining for adults without having content that common sense would tell you is inappropriate, to a certain degree, for a younger audience. It's isn't that there shouldn't be comics (like this) intended for a more mature audience (of any age), but these days it seems that's all there is. (If anything, the closest we seem to get are kids books that just happen to appeal to adults, as well.) I think that's too bad. And you can call it "arbitrary transgressive language" all you like, but I don't think there's anything particularly "prudish" or "right-wing" about encouraging kids to use language intelligently. As it happens, my son just started in the first grade -- he picked up a few bad habits last year, but using bad language thankfully hasn't been one of them. (He makes up his own.)
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK |
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Fin Fang Foom: "And you can call it 'arbitrary
transgressive language' all you like, but I don't think there's anything particularly 'prudish' or 'right-wing' about encouraging
kids to use language intelligently."
Any word can be used intelligently, whether it's transgressive or socially acceptable. It all depends on the artistic skill of the author or the speaker to set it in an advanced linguistic context. One of the most advanced novelists of the twentieth century, William S. Burroughs, was also one of the most transgressive. If Frank Miller wished to have accurate dialog for criminals, then his usage of taboo language was appropriate for his artistic intent. In a truly free society, artists should not be censored, and children should not be used as scapegoats by the conservative social forces that attempt to do so. Censorship is far more damaging to a society in the long run than any "naughty" words ever are.
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian The Monongahela River, Turtle Island http://www.myspace.com/toddtamanendclark
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