Dr Strange's Scripter Supreme & Artist Arcanum? (NT)

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deejayway	Dr Strange's Scripter Supreme & Artist Arcanum? (NT)	Lead	[-]
Posts: 320 (01/19/08 12:35 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Tags : roger stern, steve ditko, gene colan, steve englehart, frank brunner, marshall rogers, michael golden, paul smith I think Doc Strange has been singularly blessed among mainstream Marvel characters with some of the best writing to ever grace the pages of a Marvel comic. Stan Lee, Roy Thomas, Steve Englehart and Roger Stern were the good doctor's main scribes and personally I think Roger Stern was the best of them all. As good as his work on Spiderman and Avengers was, IMHO Doc Strange was the only character that Stern actually wound up beating all competition on, with Englehart coming in a close second. AFAIC Roger's run on Doc Strange from #47 - #75 is the best run on sorceror supreme, boasting brilliant necromantic artwork by luminaries such as Marshall Rogers, Mike Golden and Paul Smith. Damn I wish Marvel would reprint this stuff in a nice Omnibus. Roger also scripted one of my favourite single issues of Doc during his first run, namely #30 A Gathering of Fear, which also boasted great Tom Sutton interiors and a classic Frank Brunner cover. As far as Doc artists are concerned, my favourites are; Frank Brunner, Paul Smith, Mike Golden, Steve Ditko, Marschall Rogers, Gene Colan, Mark Buckingham (in that order). (Edited search tag...Moderatin' 'Muu ) Last Edited By: Gormuu 06/15/08 12:57 PM. Edited 4 times.
mistergoodman		#1	[-]
Posts: 100 (01/19/08 1:09 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	deejayway wrote: AFAIC Roger's run on Doc Strange from #47 - #75 is the best run on sorceror supreme, boasting brilliant necromantic artwork by luminaries such as Marshall Rogers, Mike Golden and Paul Smith. Damn I wish Marvel would reprint this stuff in a nice Omnibus. As far as Doc artists are concerned, my favourites are; Frank Brunner, Paul Smith, Mike Golden, Steve Ditko, Marschall Rogers, Gene Colan, Mark Buckingham (in that order). I agree except... Frank Brunner, Gene Colan, Marschall Rogers, Mike Golden, Mark Buckingham, Paul Smith, and Steve Ditko (in that order).
Misrule13		#2	[-]
Posts: 193 (01/19/08 1:15 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I agree except... Steve Ditko, Frank Brunner, Gene Colan, Mike Golden, Marshall Rogers, Mark Buckingham and Paul Smith (in that order)
deejayway		#3	[-]
Posts: 322 (01/19/08 2:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Well that main thing is that we agree they were all great, right?
mistergoodman		#4	[-]
Posts: 101 (01/19/08 2:10 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Wait. I was pretty hung over. Frank Brunner, Gene Colan, Marshall Rogers, Steve Ditko, Mike Golden, Mark Buckingham, Paul Smith (in that order). Kinda undecided on the last two. Need some cereal. Crap, forgot to go grocery shopping. Ditko belongs ahead of Rogers probably. Hope there's some waffles in the freezer.
Fyrcyning		#5	[-]
Posts: 67 (01/19/08 3:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Stern vs. Englehart. Personally, I'm inclining just ever-so-slightly towards Englehart - mainly because of the Marvel Premiere issues and also because some of Stern's last issues (around #70) were duds IMO. But tomorrow I might feel differently. Who cares which of them is greater, both were superb. And I never tire of pointing out that Peter B. Gillis was also superb; his Strange Tales Vol 2 epic stands out as yet another masterpiece in Doc Strange's long career. Yes, this character has indeed enjoyed an admirable cast of writers.
dabarger		#6	[-]
Posts: 2226 (01/19/08 3:51 PM) Silver Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I agree except... Gene Colan Alan The Insane!!! "Sub-Mariner 26, The GREATEST Comic Ever Sold!!!" Looking for a Strange Worlds Omnibus sometime in the future!!!
deejayway		#7	[-]
Posts: 324 (01/19/08 4:13 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Fyrcyning wrote: Stern vs. Englehart. Personally, I'm inclining just ever-so-slightly towards Englehart - mainly because of the Marvel Premiere issues and also because some of Stern's last issues (around #70) were duds IMO. But tomorrow I might feel differently. Who cares which of them is greater, both were superb. And I never tire of pointing out that Peter B. Gillis was also superb; his Strange Tales Vol 2 epic stands out as yet another masterpiece in Doc Strange's long career. Yes, this character has indeed enjoyed an admirable cast of writers. True, true, Englehart and Stern were both superb on Doc so what does it really matter? Stern's final issues on Doc duds? I say thee nay. I think his last storyline of Clea's revolution against Dormannu was one of the most inspired uses of the Dark Dimension ever. Peter Gillis did indeed do an interesting run, nicely complimented by Chris Warner on pencils but I still somehow don't think Gillis & Warner qualify as a classic Doc creative team. I also quiet enjoyed J.M. DeMatteis' writing at the end of vol. 3. As far as Gene Colan is concerned. I love all of his work on Doc, except the run he did with Chris ( - yawn - ) Claremont and Dan Green on inks. However, I like his initial run with Roy Thomas the most. His lay-outs were really wild. Amazing stuff, that still looks very contemporary. Having Tom Palmer on inks certainly didn't hurt none. I forgot, Barry Smith did one excellent issue of Doc, Marvel Premiere #3. It should be included in the next Dr. Strange Masterworks, which promises to be quite a mixed bag with the tail end of the Thomas/Colan/Palmer era and the very erratic first run of Marvel Premiere. I wonder if they'll include Hulk #126 and Sub-Mariner #22, which conclude the final storyline from Roy's era. I also think there's a solo Doc tale in Marvel Feature (or whatever), which premiered the Defenders.
DavidSpofforth		#8	[-]
Posts: 1403 (01/19/08 5:15 PM) Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Fyrcyning wrote: I also think there's a solo Doc tale in Marvel Feature (or whatever), which premiered the Defenders. There is. It's a short Thomas/Heck tale of how he became a sorcerer again, in time for the first Defenders story in that same issue, after renouncing magic at the end of Hulk 126.
JKCarrier		#9	[-]
Posts: 1 (01/19/08 5:16 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers and loves Peter Gillis' run! I thought he brought a really fresh and innovative perspective to the character. I would say the same for Englehart. Which, to my mind, puts them slightly ahead of guys like Stern, Thomas, Claremont, et. al. who wrote some great Doc adventures, but didn't necessarily introduce anything new to the equation. When talking about great Strange artists, let's not forget P. Craig Russell on that one Doc Annual (and the later "remake"). Beautiful stuff!
Very Crazy Penguin		#10	[-]
Posts: 1202 (01/19/08 6:04 PM) Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I haven't read any of this stuff before, so I'd love to see it all collected. Roger Stern always delivers a good tale. Doctor Strange has had many fine artists, but this is yet another case of nothing being able to top the original and best. Steve Ditko is the Doctor Strange artist.
dabarger		#11	[-]
Posts: 2228 (01/20/08 1:25 AM) Silver Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Very Crazy Penguin wrote: I haven't read any of this stuff before, so I'd love to see it all collected. Roger Stern always delivers a good tale. Steve Ditko is the Doctor Strange artist. Not for me. Gene Colan is THE Doctor Strange artist!!! Alan The Insane!!! "Sub-Mariner 26, The GREATEST Comic Ever Sold!!!" Looking for a Strange Worlds Omnibus sometime in the future!!!
AussieStu		#12	[-]
Posts: 4979 (01/20/08 1:31 AM) Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I agree except... Gene Colan, Mike Golden, Frank Brunner, Steve Ditko, Paul Smith, Marshall Rogers and Mark Buckingham (in that order) The Negative Zone
Fyrcyning		#13	[-]
Posts: 69 (01/20/08 2:10 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	deejayway wrote: Peter Gillis did indeed do an interesting run, nicely complimented by Chris Warner on pencils but I still somehow don't think Gillis & Warner qualify as a classic Doc creative team. I wouldn't hesitate a second to put Gillis in the same class with Stern and Englehart. As pointed out by JKCarrier above, he took the series in a different direction, and the results were very impressive IMO. The general mood of Strange Tales Vol 2 is very dark and grim, with deeply Lovecraftian overtones in how the storyline is anchored in ancient pagan cults around the globe. The final confrontation with Shuma-Gorath and the aftermath is highly symbolic, loaded with metaphysical and hermetic significance. As a tribute to its greatness, Englehart pays homage to it in his FF. As for favorite Doc artists, aside from Ditko (who is of course in a special class of his own), the ones that strike the deepest chord in me are Colan and Brunner. Last Edited By: Fyrcyning 01/20/08 2:14 AM. Edited 2 times.
Charlie Brownest		#14	[-]
Posts: 23 (01/20/08 2:27 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I have the entire Dr Strange Master of Mystic Arts run and I can confirm that the good Dr had a fantastic number of talented creators on that series. Brunner, Colan, Starlin, Smith, and Golden just to name a few ( and that's not mentioning all the great writers). The series would certainly be worth collecting in Omnibus format in my opinion. I doubt I would partake because as I mentioned I have the whole thing in damn good quality and I hate to double dip... maybe if they threw in some heavy duty bonus material I'd change my mind. Last Edited By: Charlie Brownest 01/20/08 2:30 AM. Edited 1 times.
Charlie Brownest		#15	[-]
Posts: 24 (01/20/08 2:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Ditko IS the definative artist for the good Dr. but Gene Colan was certainly no poor substitute. Ditko was the master of of creating new worlds and translating pure imagination to the page but for sheer horror and creepiness Colan was the man ... trust me.
deejayway		#16	[-]
Posts: 325 (01/20/08 6:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	What I liked so much about Paul Smith's Doc is that it seemed to be a fine synthesis of some of Doc's best pencillers; sort of Ditko crossed with Brunner. Re. Gillis' run. All I remember is liking it well enough when it was first released but I don't think I've read it since then. I know I have few holes in my Strange Tales vol. 2 collection so maybe I'll plug them and then read the run again. I remember being very disappointed by Roy Thomas' second tenure on the good doctor in the late 80s/early 90s, despite the gorgeous Butch Guice artwork. It was the high point of the "funny" JLA hysteria and Thomas clearly took his chops from that, giving Doc a jocular mood that was really inappropriate. Yes Englehart definitely had his mystic mojo working. He and Brunner probably had the greatest true metaphysical knowledge of all of the practitioners who worked on Doc. Strange. Englehart's run is rife in symbolism but some of it was a bit too self-conscious and ponderous. Whereas Englehart's Strange was more thought-provoking than Stern's, Stern's was more generally entertaining. I also think it's a disservice to Stern's work to suggest that he didn't drive the mag into new directions. Don't forget it was Roger who first made decent use of Clea, making her a viable character after years of merely being a love interest and Stern also introduced whatserface Lessing. Besides that, he anchored the strip more firmly in the Marvel universe by teaming Doc with such disparate guest stars as the FF, Sgt Fury, Hannibal King and the Black Knight without losing the mag's uniqueness. Roger was very inventive in bringing in guest stars who were ostensibly inimical with the mystical mood of the mag and making them work. The FF e.g. weren't even aware of Strange's presence. It seems to me that Roger's first work with Marshall Rogers anticipated Hellboy a lot. The stuff with teh Howling Commandos in Britain could've come straight out of Hellboy's origin. I wonder if Mignola was influenced by that stuff. I'm a huge Craig Russell fan but I always thought the annual was a pretty slipshod after. The revised version was nice visually but a bit of a dud storywise. Oh yeah Marvel, if you do consider Omnibusing Stern's run, don't forget there is a beautiful little prologue to his work by him and Mike Golden in the back pages of #47. Didn't Golden also do a Doc story in the early issues of Marvel Fanfare.
Comicsdad		#17	[-]
Posts: 1223 (01/20/08 9:39 AM) Bronze Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Didn't Golden also do a Doc story in the early issues of Marvel Fanfare. There were many Dr Strange stories in Marvel Fanfare, but I don't think Golden did any of them. Vess and Infantino, yes. ============= Comicsdad Cut above this line. Please.
JKCarrier		#18	[-]
Posts: 3 (01/20/08 11:46 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Comicsdad wrote: Didn't Golden also do a Doc story in the early issues of Marvel Fanfare. There were many Dr Strange stories in Marvel Fanfare, but I don't think Golden did any of them. Vess and Infantino, yes. Also a really nice one by Dave Gibbons: http://comics.org/coverview.lasso?id=45379&zoom=4
deejayway		#19	[-]
Posts: 336 (01/20/08 11:59 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Vess on Doc Strange? Sounds like an ideal match. I always thought the Doc graphic novel Stern did with Mike Mignola was very good but not quite the classic George Khoury likes to make it out to be. btw the DeMatteis/Dan Green "Shamballa" GN is pretty cool too. Nice use of water colours.
sloMoYOyo	Gaimen	#20	[-]
Posts: 1092 (01/20/08 2:56 PM) Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I really liked the way Neil Gaimen wrote the Doctor in 1602. Would love to see him take another crack at Dr. Strange. As far as my own favorites, I'd have to say Paul Smith on the art side. I've clearly read less Dr. Strange than the typical contibutor to this thread. I only recently read the Masterworks, which are great by the way. The first one was my very first Masterwork back in the late 90s and got me started on the Masterworks sereis as a whole. But I hadn't read the 2nd or 3rd one or any of the issues contained therein until last year. The art was high quality throughout. I'd love to see that line continue into the 70s. I haven't read any 70s Dr. Strange. Came to the book first in the 80s when Pauls Smith was drawing it. That was during his run on X-Men wasn't it. I like his work very much on that title but the Dr. Strange stuff is more refined. Just beautiful.

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