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SamyMerchi |
Dr Strange map |
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No map here. But I'd like to see one. Not necessarily even that: I would *really* appreciate it if somebody who's familiar with Doc's 1970s series would break down the broad strokes of it. Key arcs that shouldn't be split, key creator changes, key direction changes, stuff like that. I'd be really grateful.
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chasdom |
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This is the map that I have so far for "The Complete Dr. Strange," collecting all the non-Defenders appearances of ol' Doc. Probably not really the type of mapping you are looking for, but handy for reference.
Volume 1: July 1963 to February 1965 Issue Equivalents: 19.1 Strange Tales Vol. 1 #110, 111, 114-129 06/64: Fantastic Four #27 09/64: Journey Into Mystery #108 09/64: Amazing Spider-Man Annual #1 (repro of 1 or 2 pgs) Volume 2: March 1965 to July 1966 Issue Equivalents: 18.9 Strange Tales Vol. 1 #130-146 09/65: Amazing Spider-Man Annual #2 (68 pgs) 10/65: Fantastic Four Annual #3 (repro of 1 pg) Volume 3: August 1966 to May 1968 Issue Equivalents: 23.2 Strange Tales Vol. 1 #147-168 06/67: X-Men Vol. 1 #33 08/67: Collector's Item Classics #10 (repro of 1 pg pinup) 02/68: Not Brand Echh #6 (7 pgs+cover) Volume 4: June 1968 to April 1970 Issue Equivalents: 20.4 Dr. Strange #169-178 Avengers #61 (cross-over) Dr. Strange #179-183 Sub-Mariner #22 (cross-over) Incredible Hulk #126 (cross-over) 10/68: Not Brand Echh #10 (repro of cover only) 01/69: Avengers #60 (repro 1 pg cameo) 08/69: Not Brand Echh #13 (6 pages + cover) Volume 5: December 1971 to December 1974 Issue Equivalents: 21.3 Marvel Feature #1 (10 pages) Marvel Premiere #3-14 Dr. Strange Vol. 2 #1-5 06/72: Amazing Spider-Man #109 05/74: Marvel Team-Up #21 11/74: Marvel Two-In-One #6 & 7 Volume 6: January 1975 to October 1976 Issue Equivalents: 16.2 Dr. Strange Vol. 2 #6-13 Tomb of Dracula #44 (cross-over) Dr. Strange Vol. 2 #14-19 07/75: Marvel Team-up #35 11/75: Strange Tales 182-188 (repro of covers only) 10/76: Marvel Team-up #50 Unconfirmed items (may only be 1 or 2 pg cameos): 06/68: Not Brand Echh #8 09/72: Fantastic Four #126 03/73: Iron Man #56 (1 pg cameo?) 05/73: Chamber of Chills #4 Tomb of Dracula #45 03/75: Thor #233 11/76: Marvel Team-Up #51 The following issues are reprints and could be excised: Dr Strange Vol 1 #179 Marvel Premiere #11 Dr Strange Vol 2 #3 Key Volume Breaks: Volume 2 is one long epic from #130 to Ditko's last issue. Pretty clean break. Volume 3 finishes up Strange Tales. Volume 4 is all Roy Thomas, through to Doc's retirement in 1970. Volume 5 starts with the end of Doc's retirement in 1971, then collects three major stories: The Lovecraft saga, the Sise-Neg saga, and the Silver Dagger story. Ends with Frank Brunner's last issue. Volume 6 is all Steve Englehart and Gene Colan, with the last issue (#19) a fill-in issue wrapping up Englehart's story. It ends up being a bit thin, but issue #20 starts two major storylines, one that is resolved in the Dr. Strange Annual, and another called "The Creator Chronicles" which runs for at least 9 issues. I'll post again if and when I get any further. My first priority is binding The Question, so it may be a while. |
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SamyMerchi |
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Would I be correct in assuming that Feature #1, Premiere #3-14 attaches better to the beginning of Strange v2 than to the end of Strange v1? Storywise that is. Would you place a volume break right *after* these or right before these?
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chasdom |
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Samy: Yes, very much so. Premiere #3-14 attaches directly to Strange v2, and so you might as well throw Feature at the beginning.
Feature #1 (12/71) is the story that brings Doc out of retirement, including getting rid of the Thomas/Colan "masked" look. It's published over two years after Dr. Strange #183 (11/69). Premiere #3 is then published 7 months after Feature #1(07/72). Premiere #14 is published in 03/74, and Dr Strange v2 #1 follows 3 months later in 06/74. Premiere #3-14 leads directly into Dr Strange v2 #1-5, creative-wise (though there are no continuing story threads). Englehart & Brunner come on board at Premiere #9, and are consistently the creative team until Dr Strange v2 #5. (Of course, Brunner was so behind schedule that two reprint issues were required in that time - on a bi-monthly book!). The Englehart/Brunner issues were even published as a single TPB a few years back. |
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SamyMerchi |
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I'm considering whether I want to include the Feature and Premiere, if I start collecting Doc with v2.
* Would you say the Feature and Premiere appearances are necessary to understanding v2? You say there are no continuing story threads at least, so theoretically I assume I could separate the two. * Do Feature and Premiere have a lot of non-Strange material or are they basically a Doc solo book? If they heavily feature other material as well, that may weigh in on a decision for me not to include them, and instead collect them separately. --
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chasdom |
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Feature and Premiere are not key to understanding Dr Strange v2. These try-out books avoided the traditional Marvel pacing of introducing subsequent plotlines in a subplot while the current main plot is still going on, a trend that makes finding break points in most Marvel books quite frustrating.
There is one major event in Premiere (the death of the Ancient One) that is referenced many times in Dr Strange v2, but that's about it. You could start with Dr Strange v2 #1 and not be lost at all. Premiere is 100% Dr Strange. Marvel Feature #1 has a Defenders lead story (1st appearance and origin) with a Dr Strange back-up story that is merely establishing the then-retired Strange as: 1) coming out of retirement 2) no longer using the "masked" look It also involves the quickest-ever showdown with Baron Mordo. That's all you really need to know, it's really designed to get Dr Strange up and running so he can be in the Defenders in his classic look. |
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SamyMerchi |
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If Premiere is all-Doc and Feature only has one other story, then it sounds like I'm going to go with including these. Thanks a lot for the advice, you've been great!
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DavidTai |
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