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Mar 13 07 1:52 AM
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Quote:Am I the only one that actually enjoys this kind of stuff? I mean, sure its goofy, but for me that is part of the fun of reading GA comics.
Mar 13 07 2:00 AM
Quote:And to the point that others are making, excusing the material for being lame because "they were restricted to 7 and 8 page stories". Might I remind you all that EC (being done contemporaneously with the Atlas revival) was also restricted to 7 and 8 page stories, and yet those stories were compelling and well-written.
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Mar 13 07 8:16 AM
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Quote:Might I remind you all that EC (being done contemporaneously with the Atlas revival) was also restricted to 7 and 8 page stories, and yet those stories were compelling and well-written.
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Mar 13 07 10:03 AM
Quote:I will also courageously step forward on this public forum and say how much I enjoyed the Atlas Heroes volume.
Quote:Also, I NEVER read an Archive or a Masterwork cover-to-cover. These books were published on a monthly schedule. They were never meant to be read that many in a sitting. Under those conditions the formulas do become tiresome - no question. (I also refuse to watch more than a single episode of any old movie serial in a siting for the same reason.)
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Mar 13 07 10:30 AM
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Mar 13 07 10:31 AM
Quote:Obviously many do not enjoy Golden Age or Atomic Age comics because they are simply not as good (on average) as the books of the Silver Age and beyond.
Quote:...the mind frame I had as a kid when I first started reading comics. Back then, finding a Golden Age reprint was like finding a lost scroll of hyroglyphics. I was fascinated.
Quote:Also, I NEVER read an Archive or a Masterwork cover-to-cover. These books were published on a monthly schedule. They were never meant to be read that many in a sitting.
Quote:What EC had was much, much better art. And, like Lee's Marvel Comics in the Silver Age, EC was a much smaller line of comics than many of their competitiors making it easier to maintain a consistent quality throughout the line.
Quote:Everett's work during this period is absolutely his best stuff and well worth preserving in a hardcover format.
Mar 13 07 11:45 AM
Quote:However, the basic question that initiated this thread was, why did the Atlas hero revival fail? The answer is, quite clearly, that the quality was not there to sustain interest.
Quote:A valid point, however I would suggest, firstly, that strong editorial vision was another similarity between EC and Silver Age Marvel -- in the 1950s, Lee was just going through the motions, a young and uneducated man feeling lucky to have a position of responsibility with his uncle's company, but constantly concerned that he doesn't really know what he's doing.
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Mar 13 07 12:11 PM
Quote:He was simply grinding out whatever his boss (and uncle) told him too.
Mar 13 07 7:15 PM
Quote:Ah, good. So in essence we agree.
Quote:Again, the Silver Age Marvels from 1965 until about 1968 do, indeed, hold up to cover-to-cover reading, notwithstanding their original publishing schedule.
Quote:I also enjoy Everett's Silver Age and Bronze Age work, and I wouldn't mind the opportunity to see some of Everett's horror work again.
Mar 13 07 7:33 PM
Quote:I certainly think that the Torch & Cap stories were no better or worse than say the Green Arrow stories and Wonder Woman stuff coming out at the same time.
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Mar 13 07 8:09 PM
Quote:I find the EC writing to be just as mundane as the Atlas efforts. The stories are simple formulas as virtually required by the restrictive page lengths of them.
Quote:I think Everett's Sub-Mariner strip was better than anything DC was producing at the time (in the super-hero genre).
Mar 14 07 4:05 AM
Quote:Wha.. huh? Say WHAT???What universe do you live in??I don't know what the extent of Lee's formal education was, but I doubt that it was out of the norm for his time. Prior to WWII, many middle-class kids never finished high school. College was something only for the upper-class. It wasn't until after WWII that the GI Bill put college in the grasp of every day men and women. And it wasn't until the WWII generation had college age children in the 60's and 70's that college became expected of someone in the middle-class.At any rate, Stan Lee is clearly a highly intelligent, well read and well spoken individual. By the early 50's he was a man in his early 30's, not the 17 year old kid that his uncle had put in charge 15 years earlier. He knew the business inside and out & backwards and forwards. He had served a stint in the army in a position of great responsibility. And let's face it, Stan Lee has never had problems with his ego. He neither felt "lucky to have a job" or was "constantly concerned that he doesn't really know what he's doing." That's absurd. Atlas (Marvel) comics couldn't have run without him and he knew it.He may have been going through the motions, but it wasn't out of feelings of insecurity. If anything, it was because he had higher aspirations. In fact, by the time FF #1 rolled around, he was seriously considering leaving his uncle's business to get a "real" job and had always wanted to write the "great American Novel."He was simply grinding out whatever his boss (and uncle) told him too.
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