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Apr 23 14 10:00 PM
Golden Age
jephyork wrote:Hasn't Marvel edited cigars, cigarettes, etc. out of some of their trades? Or did I imagine that? You've imagined that, I think. They take them off the trades' front covers, but the actual issues inside are untouched. -Jeph!
Hasn't Marvel edited cigars, cigarettes, etc. out of some of their trades? Or did I imagine that?
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Apr 23 14 10:45 PM
MrTinkertrain wrote:nakamachi wrote:Imagine JJJ's wife fighting with him over the cigarsHard to argue with your husband when you're dead. Anyways, at least Garth Ennis keeps the stogie in Fury's mouth, right where it should be:Hard to believe a character has to be in a MAX comic to be able to smoke.
nakamachi wrote:Imagine JJJ's wife fighting with him over the cigars
Apr 23 14 10:48 PM
Five Years Later wrote:nakamachi wrote: Is Cat on Bat porn OK for kids to see as long as they don't smoke afterwards? Yes. Sex is something people do and (hysterics aside) those comics weren't porn.
nakamachi wrote: Is Cat on Bat porn OK for kids to see as long as they don't smoke afterwards?
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Apr 23 14 10:52 PM
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nakamachi wrote:Five Years Later wrote:nakamachi wrote: Is Cat on Bat porn OK for kids to see as long as they don't smoke afterwards? Yes. Sex is something people do and (hysterics aside) those comics weren't porn.Not far from it though, where do they go next to top it.
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Apr 23 14 10:58 PM
nakamachi wrote:Just a possible example, but anyway I remember thinking that when I learned of Quesada's no smoking policy back when Marla was still alive. But I think the idea with comic characters struggling with it is a good one. What if JJJ had to deal with throat cancer and over a long time eventually died in the comic. It might almost be worth losing a great character like that for a good long running cancer story. Since newspapers are dead and Parker would only be paparazzi now, JJJ as a character has almost outlived his irrational hatred of Spider-man anyway.
Apr 23 14 11:02 PM
MrTinkertrain wrote:nakamachi wrote:Just a possible example, but anyway I remember thinking that when I learned of Quesada's no smoking policy back when Marla was still alive. But I think the idea with comic characters struggling with it is a good one. What if JJJ had to deal with throat cancer and over a long time eventually died in the comic. It might almost be worth losing a great character like that for a good long running cancer story. Since newspapers are dead and Parker would only be paparazzi now, JJJ as a character has almost outlived his irrational hatred of Spider-man anyway.That is a good idea, but I think the problem is JJJ would never stay be allowed to stay dead and Marvel wouldn't want to undo a cancer death. But maybe I'm wrong. After all, it looks like Foggy Nelson is on his way out.
Apr 24 14 12:09 AM
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Apr 24 14 12:50 AM
JJJ or Foggy could very well stay dead, because there is much less interest in supporting characters than there used to be. It's only heroes and villains that tend to always come back. Uncle Ben, Gwen and Captain Stacy, and Jack Murdock are still dead.
Apr 24 14 1:13 AM
nakamachi wrote:JJJ or Foggy could very well stay dead, because there is much less interest in supporting characters than there used to be. It's only heroes and villains that tend to always come back. Uncle Ben, Gwen and Captain Stacy, and Jack Murdock are still dead.
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Apr 24 14 6:10 AM
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Apr 24 14 7:34 AM
MrTinkertrain wrote:I've gotta say I really dislike the smoking ban. Smoking communicates something about a character. It's odd that movie Wolverine is free to smoke his beloved cigars but the comics Wolverine can't. Which does Marvel think is going to be seen by more people? I don't buy the "bad influence" crap either. I've never had a single desire to smoke because when I was in the fourth grade we spent two weeks of science class going over autopsy photos and other sick crap. Anyone who smokes after going through that (and half that class ended up smoking in high school) is an idiot.
Apr 24 14 7:54 AM
nakamachi wrote:Another observation I'd like to make is that they could be passing up some obviously good opportunities for in story PSA's. Why not responsibly show characters struggling with smoking addictions? Wouldn't that make them more interesting? Imagine JJJ's wife fighting with him over the cigars, or a Ben Grimm so filled with self loathing he doesn't care about the dangers of smoking. How about a Wolverine who doesn't believe it can hurt him? Marvel had the guts to show an alcoholic Tony Stark in an award winning story, why can't they win awards over the smoking issue?
Apr 24 14 8:20 AM
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Apr 24 14 9:04 AM
Muldoon wrote:That's Pip the Troll, Adam Warlock's sidekick...
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Apr 24 14 12:16 PM
Bronze Age
Muldoon wrote:Roi-Tans? whad de heck? guess they were more affordable and accessible than Cohibas
Apr 24 14 3:33 PM
Muldoon wrote:Agreed. Of all of Marvel's characters, I've always felt if they would have one that could be portrayed as a chain-smoker, it would be the Punisher, basically because of his Vietnam vet background, but also because his type of lifestyle screams ''suicidal'' to me. I'm surprised he hasn't developped all sorts of addictions like heavy drinking or painkillers or chain-smoking, all to put an end to the hell he's living through.Anyway, about smoking and the Punisher, I figure he would have chosen two different paths regarding that habit: he would have dropped it very early on when he realized it severely hampered his cardio and battle effectiveness. Or two, as I mentioned above, he would have developped a severe addiction mainly as a release from all the immense pressure his choice of lifestyle brought unto him. Now here's where the story potential lays. Punisher does his usual schtick, mowing down gangbangers and mafiosos indiscriminately. Marlboro after Marlboro gets sucked into his lungs as wanton violence is unleashed. Then finally Frank gets into a hairier situation than usual, and he has to hightail it with a dozen goons on his ass. But his indiscriminate 4-pack-a-day habit has gotten the better of him and he wheezes out of breath. He tries to hide in a warehouse basement. Hiding behind a crate, Frank sees the goon squad milling close by. He thinks he will ambush them, but the strong cigarette smell on his clothes and hair warn the hoodlums as to Frank's presence, and THEY give Frank a hell of a beatdown...What happens next? who knows, but here is an instance where a ''hero's'' weakness may be his undoing...
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Apr 25 14 9:35 AM
Apr 25 14 9:39 AM
nakamachi wrote:I've never been a smoker and have always been against it in real life, so I can understand the big 2 Comic companies wanting to get rid of it. That said (wrote), I kinda miss it in the comics. Does it really make a difference? For one thing, the average age of a comic reader is more in the adult range these days and most comic stories are more mature in content than they were in even the Bronze Age. Comic characters today do all kinds of unhealthy things. Does it really make sense to show characters beating the hell out of each other, blood dripping from their bodies, but not to show smoking? How about characters who sleep around? Is Cat on Bat porn OK for kids to see as long as they don't smoke afterwards? Another observation I'd like to make is that they could be passing up some obviously good opportunities for in story PSA's. Why not responsibly show characters struggling with smoking addictions? Wouldn't that make them more interesting? Imagine JJJ's wife fighting with him over the cigars, or a Ben Grimm so filled with self loathing he doesn't care about the dangers of smoking. How about a Wolverine who doesn't believe it can hurt him? Marvel had the guts to show an alcoholic Tony Stark in an award winning story, why can't they win awards over the smoking issue?
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