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profh0011		#21	[-]
Posts: 4738 Mar 1 12 1:29 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	The only 2 "flaws" with the PACJ album, for me, is that they re-recorded "Words" from scratch (rather than use the original version produced by Boyce & Hart for the 2nd album), and, they used an inferior stereo remix of "Pleasant Valley Sunday", rather than the one on the TV show and 45. It took until the 90's before the "proper" version of that song finally turned up on a GREATEST HITS album (the one from Rhino, of course). I've been meaning to run off a "special edition" of that where I'd replace the stereo version with the better mono version. (It could be worse-- for the "LISTEN TO THE BAND" box set, done before Rhino acquired the full rights to their songs, most of the songs were NEW remixes-- including that one. Why? WHY do they do things like that?) Many consider "Pleasant Valley Sunday" their best song, so it's ironic the actual "hit" version was unavailable for so many years. (Even reissue 45s had the stereo remix, as did various "hits" collections.) What cracked me up was after decades, finding out that Gerry Goffin & Carole King lived in a New Jersey suburb not far from NYC, and the song was about northern NEW JERSEY. I always thought it was about southern California! http://professorhswaybackmachine.blogspot.com/
ElectricPeterTork		#22	[-]
Posts: 6281 Mar 1 12 3:55 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	VisualFiction wrote: I think I heard a long time ago that the TV show featured some of the earlist attempts at music videos? Not sure if that's true... prof (and others), thanks for the info. I had thought Dolenz was the lead on "Cuddly Toy", I'll have to listen to it again. I've always liked that one...just one more good song that made PACJ such a nice album. It's both Dolenz and Jones on Cuddly Toy, unless my ears deceive me. VisualFiction wrote: Is the cover of their second album (More of the Monkees) supposed to be some kind of stealth acid cover like that one of CCR's which featured so much foliage? (Counterbalanced by that funny cover where they're in the pool...) Actually, the More of the Monkees cover was put together from various different pictures. The whole album pissed Mike Nesmith off, because it was basically cobbled together from scraps so Kirshner and Colgems could get a follow-up album out quickly on the heels of the first. profh0011 wrote: I've been meaning to run off a "special edition" of that where I'd replace the stereo version with the better mono version. (It could be worse-- for the "LISTEN TO THE BAND" box set, done before Rhino acquired the full rights to their songs, most of the songs were NEW remixes-- including that one. Why? WHY do they do things like that?) Because with Rhino, by spreading out the Monkees recordings and different takes on as many albums as possible, they always make sure that the hardcore fans have to buy everything possible. I mean, take the demo version of Mommy and Daddy, for example... The Monkees Present had the demo without the intro, Anthology had the demo with intro, and the relatively new Instant Replay box set has a mono version of the demo, with intro, and a different vocal take. Last Edited By: ElectricPeterTork Mar 1 12 3:58 AM. Edited 1 times.
KidColt		#23	[-]
Posts: 1115 Mar 1 12 7:46 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I'll miss Davy, too. I saw him about 2 years ago in concert. As much as i liked his voice, he took pride in being an entertainer, so the set had a lot of jokes and routines in it. "Daydream Believer" is a favorite of mine. I remember in high school, about 1986, when MTV released Monkees episodes to the world again, and the group became somewhat of a hit again. "Daydream Believer" actually re-entered the music charts again in 1986 or 1987, becoming a hit all over again as I recall. Now, in the concert 2 years ago, "Daydream Believer" was a hot performance, but the chicks went wild when Davy did that song he did for Marcia on the Brady Bunch. That reaction was unexpected by me. I don't even think that song charted, but that crowd loved it. We'll miss ya Davy!
BillyBatson4360		#24	[-]
Posts: 2524 Mar 1 12 9:01 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	wpbooks wrote: I always described Davy as 'lead tambourinist and tween appeal'! Meaning no disrespect, but that's how I always saw his function in the band.....I liked him better in later years but when I watched the show as a kid, I really couldn't figure out his purpose in the group as the other three seemed to do all the heavy lifting and singing...Davy baffled me. Very sad news and I have been surprised and touched by the outpouring of sympathy and remembrances that have filled Facebook and other places when Davy's death was announced. For the world's first "manufactured" pop group, they did alright for themselves. I always thought the entire band was originally cast for "tween appeal." Davy served a couple of specific functions. One he was a Brit, which could tie the band to its original inspiration (the Beatles & other British pop bands that were dominating the charts then). Two, he was a legitimate singer. (As some have mentioned, he played the Artful Dodger in the Broadway production of Oliver! and actually appeared on the very same Ed Sullivan show that featured the Beatles 1st appearance on live American TV.) As such, Davy did much more of the singing than any other band member besides Mickey. He was (vocally at least) sort of the "Paul" to Mickey's "John." Between the two of them, they accounted for nearly 100% of the lead vocals heard on the group's singles and most popular album tracks. Mike Nesmith's role grew as the band progressed, but he was never the featured vocalist on any of their singles until "Listen to the Band." Peter Tork also never was the single featured vocalist on any of their singles. VisualFiction wrote: I think I heard a long time ago that the TV show featured some of the earlist attempts at music videos? Not sure if that's true... Yes, it's technically true but only because the show was an attempt to capitalize on the format created for the first two Richard Lester-directed Beatles films. Lester has often been credited with being the father of the modern music video. The Monkees tv show simply copied his format. It is true that Nesmith and his company were in the forefront of the music video movement that spawned MTV.
BillyBatson4360		#25	[-]
Posts: 2524 Mar 1 12 10:29 AM Golden Age Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	profh0011 wrote: Mike Nesmith, meanwhile, went into the studios on days B&H weren't using it, and produced HIS OWN recordings. Enough for a full album or more before the 1st "Monkees" albums was even finished. He figured, as long as he got 1 or 2 songs he'd written on a disc, he got royalties for it, even if it never got played. The same goes for singles-- that's why he was so insistent "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" be a "B" side, and why he went BALLISTIC when Kirchner broke their agreement and put something else on the flip side of that single. Kirchner was STEALING money out of Nesmith's pocket by doing that. That's what led to Kirchner getting fired, though he sued, and won a settlement, and to this day STILL insists when he left, "the hits dried up" (totally ignoring that "Daydream Believer" was 2 albums after he left). Kirchner may know his stuff, but he has the personality of a gangster. profh0011: What's your source for "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" story? That song WAS issued as the B-side of "Little Bit Me, Little Bit You." In fact, it charted at #39 on Billboard. Now, IIRC the version officially released featured Mickey on lead vocals. Perhaps Nesmith was angry at not being allowed to sing lead on his own song? I do have a version of the song with Mike singing lead that Rhino claims was actually recorded as part of the sessions for Headquarters but left off the album. Whether Mike's version precedes or trails the mix with Mickey on lead vocals I couldn't say. BUT Mike still would have been in line to receive royalties from the single as the songwriter. BTW Headquarters was the band's first album once their coup against Kirchner was complete. The album went to # 1 and was certified platinum (so much for Kirshner's boast) - quite a feat in those days as there were no singles released from the album. At the time, only the Beatles attempted releasing albums without a single to promote sales.
King Nine to Firefly		#26	[-]
Posts: 1989 Mar 1 12 10:53 AM Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Was saddened to hear this yesterday. Loved the Monkees from 1966 on. They brought Rock n' Roll into American homes on a weekly basis back in the 60's. I saw them in concert in 2001 and was surprised at how good they were live. Disappointed in the news coverage. Today's local paper had a small blurb about it in the nation column. Davy and the boys certainly did more for music than someone like Whitney Houston who is still getting coverage on the "entertainment news"(what a joke) shows weeks after her death. Headquarters and PACJ were great albums to listen to...
ElectricPeterTork		#27	[-]
Posts: 6281 Mar 1 12 1:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	BillyBatson4360 wrote: profh0011 wrote: Mike Nesmith, meanwhile, went into the studios on days B&H weren't using it, and produced HIS OWN recordings. Enough for a full album or more before the 1st "Monkees" albums was even finished. He figured, as long as he got 1 or 2 songs he'd written on a disc, he got royalties for it, even if it never got played. The same goes for singles-- that's why he was so insistent "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" be a "B" side, and why he went BALLISTIC when Kirchner broke their agreement and put something else on the flip side of that single. Kirchner was STEALING money out of Nesmith's pocket by doing that. That's what led to Kirchner getting fired, though he sued, and won a settlement, and to this day STILL insists when he left, "the hits dried up" (totally ignoring that "Daydream Believer" was 2 albums after he left). Kirchner may know his stuff, but he has the personality of a gangster. profh0011: What's your source for "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" story? That song WAS issued as the B-side of "Little Bit Me, Little Bit You." In fact, it charted at #39 on Billboard. Now, IIRC the version officially released featured Mickey on lead vocals. Perhaps Nesmith was angry at not being allowed to sing lead on his own song? I do have a version of the song with Mike singing lead that Rhino claims was actually recorded as part of the sessions for Headquarters but left off the album. Whether Mike's version precedes or trails the mix with Mickey on lead vocals I couldn't say. BUT Mike still would have been in line to receive royalties from the single as the songwriter. Monkee lore... The original version of the "Little Bit Me" single had the song backed by the original version of She Hangs Out. Kirshner also subtitled the single "My Favorite Monkee: Davy Jones sings". Then, Nez hit the fan, and Kirshner was removed from the Monkees project. Here's a wiki article detailing what I just posted http://en.wikipedia.org/w...Bit_Me,_a_Little_Bit_You And, a picture of a Copy of the Canadian version of the single http://forgottenhits60s.b...hangs-out-and-other.html
profh0011		#28	[-]
Posts: 4738 Mar 1 12 2:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"What's your source for "The Girl I Knew Somewhere" story? That song WAS issued as the B-side of "Little Bit Me, Little Bit You." In fact, it charted at #39 on Billboard." See ElectricPeterTork's reply above. (Geez, what a dumb-A** question. Eveyone on this board is always "What's your source"? and going out of their way to contradict other people to make them look wrong. Try DECADES of reading and watching and learning for my source. You think anybody is supposed to remember where they learned every single thing they ever read, heard, learned?) http://professorhswaybackmachine.blogspot.com/
profh0011		#29	[-]
Posts: 4738 Mar 1 12 2:13 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Now, IIRC the version officially released featured Mickey on lead vocals. Perhaps Nesmith was angry at not being allowed to sing lead on his own song? I do have a version of the song with Mike singing lead that Rhino claims was actually recorded as part of the sessions for Headquarters but left off the album. Whether Mike's version precedes or trails the mix with Mickey on lead vocals I couldn't say. BUT Mike still would have been in line to receive royalties from the single as the songwriter." I'm pretty sure (perhaps the dates corroborate this) that the Mike version was first. It almost sounds like a demo, though a VERY "finished" demo. The Mickey version is "smoother", more polished. I LIKE Mike's vocals, I can actually understand all the words when he sings it, but Mickey's version is probably the more "commercial" of the two. Yes, I doubt Mike cared if his vocals didn't go on the single-- it was a "B" side anyway. He just got pissed that the song didn't go on the single at all. That single was PULLED from the market and replaced with the one with Mike's song. The "deal", in the wake of MORE OF THE MONKEES, was that Kirchner and The Monkees would EACH supply 50% of all future released. Kirchner, however, was NOT gonna let some "actors" push HIM around, SEE??? So he called their bluff, apparently breaking the deal just to see what would happen. Sure enough, the group went to Kirchner's bosses, they fired Kirchner, Kirchner SUED, and won a settlement, which meanrt he made out like a bandit without having to do any more work or deal with the "actors" anymore. I can HEAR the arrogance in his voice when they interviewed him about it, decades later. What an AH. Kirchner then turned around, and with his frequent collaborator, Jeff Barry (who did the original version of "She Hangs Out" among other tracks), created The Archies. "Sugar Sugar" went on to become the #1-selling 45 of 1968, if I'm not mistaken, selling even MORE copies than "I'm A Believer" had the year before. I do believe MORE OF THE MONKEES was assembled the way it was simply so that as many of Don Kirchner's NYC Brill Building cronies could get a cut of the finished result. (But honestly, did it REALLY take 4 writers to come up with a song as bad as "Laugh"???) MOTM was really the format of today's multiple-producer "albums"... like the stuff from Britney Spears, or even Cher's later offerings. But at least, around half of MOTM were actually good songs. By the way, has anybody heard Deacon Lunchbox's cover of "The Day We Fall In Love"? F**ing HILARIOUS!!! (His performance reminds me of Yosemite Sam.) http://professorhswaybackmachine.blogspot.com/
richard63		#30	[-]
Posts: 12667 Mar 1 12 2:24 PM Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	It's sad that the circumstances are so unfortunate, but I have to say it's interesting to see the degree of interest folks here have for the Monkees. I saw them live (without Nesmith) about 12 years ago. A good time was had by all. He's faster than a bullet, stronger than a train He's the one who got lucky, got his cape around miss Lois Lane I can't believe my dilemma is real I'm competing with the Man of Steel - "Jimmy Olsen's Blues" by the Spin Doctors
richard63	A minor solo hit Davy Jones had in 1971	#31	[-]
Posts: 12667 Mar 1 12 2:28 PM Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	He's faster than a bullet, stronger than a train He's the one who got lucky, got his cape around miss Lois Lane I can't believe my dilemma is real I'm competing with the Man of Steel - "Jimmy Olsen's Blues" by the Spin Doctors
ElectricPeterTork		#32	[-]
Posts: 6281 Mar 1 12 2:53 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	profh0011 wrote: "Now, IIRC the version officially released featured Mickey on lead vocals. Perhaps Nesmith was angry at not being allowed to sing lead on his own song? I do have a version of the song with Mike singing lead that Rhino claims was actually recorded as part of the sessions for Headquarters but left off the album. Whether Mike's version precedes or trails the mix with Mickey on lead vocals I couldn't say. BUT Mike still would have been in line to receive royalties from the single as the songwriter." I'm pretty sure (perhaps the dates corroborate this) that the Mike version was first. It almost sounds like a demo, though a VERY "finished" demo. The Mickey version is "smoother", more polished. I LIKE Mike's vocals, I can actually understand all the words when he sings it, but Mickey's version is probably the more "commercial" of the two. Yes, I doubt Mike cared if his vocals didn't go on the single-- it was a "B" side anyway. He just got pissed that the song didn't go on the single at all. That single was PULLED from the market and replaced with the one with Mike's song. The "deal", in the wake of MORE OF THE MONKEES, was that Kirchner and The Monkees would EACH supply 50% of all future released. Kirchner, however, was NOT gonna let some "actors" push HIM around, SEE??? So he called their bluff, apparently breaking the deal just to see what would happen. Sure enough, the group went to Kirchner's bosses, they fired Kirchner, Kirchner SUED, and won a settlement, which meanrt he made out like a bandit without having to do any more work or deal with the "actors" anymore. I can HEAR the arrogance in his voice when they interviewed him about it, decades later. What an AH. Kirchner then turned around, and with his frequent collaborator, Jeff Barry (who did the original version of "She Hangs Out" among other tracks), created The Archies. "Sugar Sugar" went on to become the #1-selling 45 of 1968, if I'm not mistaken, selling even MORE copies than "I'm A Believer" had the year before. I do believe MORE OF THE MONKEES was assembled the way it was simply so that as many of Don Kirchner's NYC Brill Building cronies could get a cut of the finished result. (But honestly, did it REALLY take 4 writers to come up with a song as bad as "Laugh"???) MOTM was really the format of today's multiple-producer "albums"... like the stuff from Britney Spears, or even Cher's later offerings. But at least, around half of MOTM were actually good songs. By the way, has anybody heard Deacon Lunchbox's cover of "The Day We Fall In Love"? F**ing HILARIOUS!!! (His performance reminds me of Yosemite Sam.) The original, Mike version of "Girl I Knew Somewhere" was recorded on 1/16/67, the same day as All of Your Toys. This was supposed to be a single, but publishing rights issues meant Colgems left All of Your Toys in the can until Rhino dug it up 20 years later. Oh, and Kirshner's power play didn't help matters, either. The Micky version of the song was recorded three days later, on 1/19/67.
Middle 12		#33	[-]
Posts: 5180 Mar 1 12 7:07 PM Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	"Star Collector" & "Daydream Believer" are my two favorite Davy songs. I tended to prefer Mickey and Mike's songs. wpbooks wrote: Don't forget, Nesmith is also one of the producers of the classic Repo Man and is quite entertaining on the dvd commentary for that film. He was also a producer on a cool little early 80's film called Timerider. I believe he played on the soundtrack as well.
Sentry 459	Maureen McCormick, TV's Marcia Brady, remembers Davy Jones	#34	[-]
Posts: 17182 Mar 2 12 11:59 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	http://theclicker.today.m...ady-remembers-davy-jones Maureen McCormick played Marcia Brady, the president of her school's Davy Jones Fan Club, in a memorable "Brady Bunch" episode. My name is Oedi and I soar amidst the stars far from the planet of my birth. I guess this starship is the closest thing I've got to a home now, for I am a refugee and an outlaw. Vanth Dreadstar, Syzygy Darklock, Willow 327, Rainbow and Skeevo are my family. We are revolutionaries. Our goal? To bring an end to the 200 year old war between the Instrumentality and the Monarchy!
Middle 12		#35	[-]
Posts: 5180 Mar 4 12 11:23 AM Registered Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	For anyone who gets MeTV, they will show the Brady Bunch episode with Davy today at 12:30 EST. And at 1:00pm and 1:30pm, they will show the two episodes of Love American Style he was in.
Sentry 459	Micky Dolenz: Remaining Monkees may skip Davy Jones' private funeral	#36	[-]
Posts: 17182 Mar 6 12 12:21 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	http://todayentertainment...vy-jones-private-funeral My name is Oedi and I soar amidst the stars far from the planet of my birth. I guess this starship is the closest thing I've got to a home now, for I am a refugee and an outlaw. Vanth Dreadstar, Syzygy Darklock, Willow 327, Rainbow and Skeevo are my family. We are revolutionaries. Our goal? To bring an end to the 200 year old war between the Instrumentality and the Monarchy!
Sentry 459	Private funeral for Davy Jones held in Florida	#37	[-]
Posts: 17182 Mar 8 12 11:27 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	http://todayentertainment...vy-jones-held-in-florida My name is Oedi and I soar amidst the stars far from the planet of my birth. I guess this starship is the closest thing I've got to a home now, for I am a refugee and an outlaw. Vanth Dreadstar, Syzygy Darklock, Willow 327, Rainbow and Skeevo are my family. We are revolutionaries. Our goal? To bring an end to the 200 year old war between the Instrumentality and the Monarchy!

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