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Jun 9 11 4:59 AM
I don't agree with that reasoning.What did his being there in Vietnam count for? Serving in a senseless, unjust war (aren't they all), and by his presence perpetuating the situation.Personally I think it was his moral duty not to go.
I hasten to add that I probably wouldn't have had the guts or conviction to go against the current either but that to me was his clear duty.I'm also talking with the luxury of 20/20 hindsight but then again, so are you.
I'm not saying I don't understand why most of the grunts went, and I don't condemn them for it but I don't see how with all that we know, that them being there 'counted for something'. I think you are a bit enamoured by the notion of the bravery and camaraderie and nobility of war Carbimero. But when I think of war, all I think of are all the dead and damaged psyches on both sides of the conflict. No-one emerges from a war victorious.
Let me just state again my admiration for Dearlenbaugh's brutal, uncompromising honesty.
When I was a young man, there was still conscription in Netherlands and I considered being a conscientious objector but I managed to weasel my way out of it on a technicality.It was the easy way out for me not to compromise my ethics but I didn't take a moral stand and I don't know if I would've stood up if push came to shove.Btw if you refused to be conscripted, it was no really big thing. You didn't have to go to jail or anything, merely fulfil an alternative conscription, working in a nursing home or something like that. Of course, it didn't look good on your record.
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carabimero wrote: Can we see our beliefs, whatever they may be, as an integral part of a quilt of truth, a mosaic of truth, without requiring that they be the whole of it?
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Jun 10 11 9:17 AM
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deejayway wrote: I re-read 1984 not long ago and was struck but how unerringly prescient he was.Not about the material conditions of the future but about newspeak, controlling thought, controlling information, shifting military alliances, perpetual warfare.....
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Jun 10 11 9:28 AM
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deejayway wrote:Look at how we are under surveillance 24/7.
Jun 10 11 10:01 AM
Comicsdad wrote: deejayway wrote: I re-read 1984 not long ago and was struck but how unerringly prescient he was.Not about the material conditions of the future but about newspeak, controlling thought, controlling information, shifting military alliances, perpetual warfare.....Uh, how is that different from any other time in human history? Far greater proportion of world's population lives now in relative peace than ever before.If so, is that a price we want to pay.
Jun 10 11 10:18 AM
jhalbright wrote: deejayway wrote: Look at how we are under surveillance 24/7.But how much of that is self-surveillance?The younger generation is growing up in a world in which they've not only always had home computers and cell phones, but they'll always have had laptops with built-in webcams and camera phones. Any event happens anywhere, and you'll see a dozen people holding their cameras filming it.
deejayway wrote: Look at how we are under surveillance 24/7.
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