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Apr 5 10 4:07 PM
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Medieval Guy wrote:He says that he made more on Kick-Ass (the comic book) than on any of his Marvel books. And since he's the one who sees his royalty statements... I'm inclined to suspect he's right. The economics of a moderately successful creator-owned book have to be a lot more favorable than even a wildly successful work-for-hire.
Apr 5 10 4:20 PM
jhalbright wrote:[A] Well, Millar has been known to wildly exaggerate things in the past, hence some of us being a little dubious. [B] Plus, I can't imagine that he wasn't including movie income as part of his blanket statement. [C] The biggest problem with a creator-owned book is publicity, promotion and distribution. Those are major hurdles, and if you ask any independent small press comic creator, you'll find that none of them are getting rich anytime soon. For this particular book, the major hurdles were taken care of due to Millar's association with Marvel.
Apr 5 10 4:39 PM
Medieval Guy wrote:[B] No, he specifically was talking about the comics money (this was when the first issue came out, before the movie sold).
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Apr 5 10 4:54 PM
DavidTai wrote:Hm. I'm not too clear on it, but does this generally mean royalties only kick in when net profit is made?
Apr 5 10 5:41 PM
jhalbright wrote:Ah. But there's the rub... The script and the comic were written side by side. So while it may not have been "sold," it was "sold."
Apr 5 10 6:25 PM
Medieval Guy wrote:jhalbright wrote:Ah. But there's the rub... The script and the comic were written side by side. So while it may not have been "sold," it was "sold."No, it wasn't. It wasn't sold, in fact, until after it was actually made. (Last August, to be precise.) Until then, there wasn't movie money to be made; there was movie money to be paid out (although I doubt very strongly that Millar did any of the actual paying).I'm not sure why you keep arguing this point. Millar very specifically said that he made more money from the Kick-Ass comic book than he made from any of his work-for-hire comic books. It had nothing to do with the movie; it was entirely in the context of making more money from creator-owned comic books than from work-for-hire comic books. And yes, Robert Kirkman notwithstanding you will make a lot more money from a creator-owned comic book if everybody knows you than if you're a nobody. But that doesn't change the alleged fact that Mark Millar made more money from Kick-Ass than he did from any of his work-for-hire books, nor does it make that alleged fact any less likely.
Apr 5 10 6:50 PM
jhalbright wrote:BTW, the movie had funding by May 2008, not August 2009. The comic's 1st issue hit in Feb 2008, and there is no way a comic with 3 months on the rack would have gotten Hollywood funding unless it was in discussions well before the Feb street date.
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Apr 5 10 8:59 PM
Medieval Guy wrote:The thing about Kick-Ass (the comic book) is that Millar starts earning a percentage from the first copy sold. It would take quite a few copies before it would make up for not getting his page rate (which has to be astronomical), but once it passes that point he's gotta be raking it in.
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Apr 14 10 10:15 AM
DC Comics announced today via its blog, that JH Williams III - fresh off the two Eisners nominations he garnered last week as best penciler/inker and best cover artist for his work on "Detective Comics" - will serve as the artist for its long-rumored, highly anticipated "Batwoman" ongoing series. The series, which begins in July, will feature Kate Kane, the character Williams and fan favorite writer Greg Rucka lit up with the Bat Signal during their critically acclaimed run on the title. The other big news is that Williams will co-write the new title with W. Haden Blackman, who is known primarily for his work in the Star Wars universe, including the "Star Wars: Galaxies" massively multiplayer online (MMO) game and "The Force Unleashed" video game.
DC Comics announced today via its blog, that JH Williams III - fresh off the two Eisners nominations he garnered last week as best penciler/inker and best cover artist for his work on "Detective Comics" - will serve as the artist for its long-rumored, highly anticipated "Batwoman" ongoing series.
The series, which begins in July, will feature Kate Kane, the character Williams and fan favorite writer Greg Rucka lit up with the Bat Signal during their critically acclaimed run on the title.
The other big news is that Williams will co-write the new title with W. Haden Blackman, who is known primarily for his work in the Star Wars universe, including the "Star Wars: Galaxies" massively multiplayer online (MMO) game and "The Force Unleashed" video game.
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Apr 14 10 11:52 AM
jhalbright wrote:JH Williams to Amy Reeder Hadley? That's one heck of a difference in art style.
Apr 14 10 12:05 PM
leveret1 wrote:jhalbright wrote:JH Williams to Amy Reeder Hadley? That's one heck of a difference in art style.Yeah it is, but at least better her than some cruddy fill-in artist.
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Lightning n Chemicals wrote:But it does beg the question: Was this a JHW3-led project from the get-go? Did he plot/layout the stories and finish the art, with Rucka just adding the dialog afterward -- the classic Marvel approach?I'm leaning towards that conclusion. The JHW3 layouts were just so intricate and well-crafted, it's hard to believe that Rucka wrote a script beforehand with that art complexity in mind.
Are you going to find it difficult pushing on with the character without Greg? Yes, it will be. Greg brought a definite sense of direction to the character and he knew where he wanted to take things, so, with his departure, it forces things to be reevaluated in terms of continuing the character without necessarily trampling on any ideas that he had for her future and still make stories that are relevant and matter in the bigger scheme of the character for generations to come. So, yes, there is definitely a bit of trepidation involved - at the same time, I feel, it's a challenge worth trying to meet.
Are you going to find it difficult pushing on with the character without Greg?
Yes, it will be. Greg brought a definite sense of direction to the character and he knew where he wanted to take things, so, with his departure, it forces things to be reevaluated in terms of continuing the character without necessarily trampling on any ideas that he had for her future and still make stories that are relevant and matter in the bigger scheme of the character for generations to come. So, yes, there is definitely a bit of trepidation involved - at the same time, I feel, it's a challenge worth trying to meet.
It was very carefully constructed. Jim and Mike and I spent hours talking about these things. I'd call Jim and say this is the issue, this is the sequence, this is what needs to happen. And he'd come back and say I have an idea for a design and a visual here. If you see the script it'll say pages 4 and 5, and it'll just say, "Jim, this is as we discussed -- this is that thing with the lightning bolts." Batwoman has been the most collaborative project I've ever done. LH: So things like the lightning bolts and the paneling -- that's something you came up with collaboratively? GR: Jim's design sense is incredible. It is quite literally the act of somebody trying to describe a picture to you. So I wrote that first script, and he said, I've got these ideas and it wasn't until the pages started coming in that I got it. And once I started seeing pages, it changed the dialogue... Once I saw the pages I was able to say, ok, let's roll up the sleeves and really make this work. So by the time you hit 755, you're looking at design elements where he says this is how I want to handle it, or, I have an idea, can you write to this? The American flag banner in the first part of "Go," where Jacob is in the poppy field, and the transition with the American flag in the background -- that was one where he said, "I have an idea!" And then said, "I went with a different idea," and I went, holy crap!
Apr 14 10 11:12 PM
Nrama: As recently as April 3rd, you had said you had no idea what would happen with Batwoman, so this has all happened in the last couple weeks, right? Williams III: Yes, it's all been very, very rapid. Things are flying rather quickly, as far as communication and figuring things out. We're still working on plot details. We have a rough idea of where we want to take it and what characters we want to use. But it's a matter of making sure all the points connect up at this point.
Apr 15 10 4:53 PM
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