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Mar 17 10 9:38 AM
kirbyfanatic wrote: ReviveTheRedRaven wrote: Yup, that Living Eraser example is a pretty poor attempt at trying to smear Stan Lee's reputation.Ah, the more vicious Kirbyites will do that sort of thing. The rational ones are more honest. I can't think of a single Kirby Koncept that wasn't done by someone else somewhere before. Guess that means that the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Thor should be public domain, then. Allen Smith
ReviveTheRedRaven wrote: Yup, that Living Eraser example is a pretty poor attempt at trying to smear Stan Lee's reputation.Ah, the more vicious Kirbyites will do that sort of thing. The rational ones are more honest. I can't think of a single Kirby Koncept that wasn't done by someone else somewhere before.
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Mar 17 10 11:22 AM
Mar 17 10 11:25 AM
Vicious49 wrote: This is going to sound ignorant, but as a kid when watching Spidey on TV, at the beginning of each episode I'd hear 'Stan Lee presents'. I'd see that in comic books and read Stan's Soapbox. So they can come up with whatever proof they want (valid or invalid) but I'll always be on Stan Lee's side. He's one of the things I associate most with Spidey from when I was young.
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Mar 17 10 4:22 PM
Vicious49 wrote:This is going to sound ignorant, but as a kid when watching Spidey on TV, at the beginning of each episode I'd hear 'Stan Lee presents'. I'd see that in comic books and read Stan's Soapbox. So they can come up with whatever proof they want (valid or invalid) but I'll always be on Stan Lee's side. He's one of the things I associate most with Spidey from when I was young.
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Mar 17 10 8:09 PM
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Mar 17 10 9:06 PM
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"Well, what we usually do is, with most of the artists, I usually get a rough plot. By a rough plot, I mean as much as I can write in longhand on the side of one sheet of paper...who the villain will be, what the problem will be, and so forth. Then I call the artist in, whoever's going to draw the strip...I read it to him...what I've written down, these few notes... and we discuss it. By the time we're through talking for about twenty minutes, we usually have some plot going. And we talk it out. Lately, I've had Roy Thomas come in, and he sits and makes notes while we discuss it. Then he types them up which gives us a written synopsis. Originally-I have a little tape recorder-I had tried taping it, but then I found no one on staff has time to listen to the tape again later. But this way he makes notes, types it quickly, I get a carbon, the artist gets a carbon...so we don't have to worry that we'll forget what we've said. Then the artist goes home...or wherever he goes...and he draws the thing out, brings it back, and I put the copy in after he's drawn the story based on the plot I've given him. Now this varies with the different artists. Some artists, of course, need a more detailed plot than others. Some artists, such as Jack Kirby, need no plot at all. I mean I'll just say to Jack, 'Let's make the next villain be Dr. Doom'... or I may not even say that. He may tell me. And then he goes home and does it. He's good at plots. I'm sure he's a thousand times better than I. He just about makes up the plots for these stories. All I do is a little editing... I may tell him he's gone too far in one direction or another. Of course, occasionally I'll give him a plot, but we're practically both the writers on the things. "
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Mar 17 10 9:07 PM
I would imagine the Thor stories are copyrighted, but the character itself likely cannot be trademarked. But I'm no expert.
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Mar 17 10 9:16 PM
Mar 17 10 9:21 PM
richard63 wrote: The interview where this was taken from was recently reprinted in the book, Stan Lee Conversations, edited by Jeff McLaughlin.
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Mar 17 10 9:29 PM
IamMightySore wrote:I remember reading that in the book. But this method would have been unknown to the vast general population at the time.The heart of the lawsuit isn't so much who wrote which stories, but who created the marketable characters and therefore can profit from the movie rights and other merchandising. I think it was in that same book that Stan admits that no one remembers who came up with which particular idea, because at the time - they were just trying to come up with a decent comic book. No thought was given to posterity, because - after all - this was just a comic book. No one realized that history was being made at the time.
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Mar 17 10 9:31 PM
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Mar 17 10 10:08 PM
ElectricPeterTork wrote:It's Marvel's new corporate daddy that got copyright law extended out to such ludicrous amounts of time in the first place, and probably will do so again the next time Steamboat Willie comes close to being in public domain.
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Mar 18 10 1:10 AM
The irony is that STEAMBOAT WILLIE is most likely already in the public domain due to the way the original copyright was accredited. However, no one (yet) is willing to risk the wrath of the Disney lawyers to give it a test (Disney even threatened to sue the law students who recently proved this as part of a college class).
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Mar 18 10 4:44 AM
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Mar 18 10 12:27 PM
deejayway wrote:I don't care about the legal issues - leave that to the lawyers - Kirby should've received more recompensation during his lifetime and I think it is perfectly legitimate that his heirs - who he worked all his life to provide for - should profit. Marvel/Disney should show some common decency and largesse and give the Kirby's a lump sum settlement. As far as I'm concerned, they don't even have to concede the legitimacy of their claims but just settle out of court. Who else have they got to fear? Who else could make similar claims?My particular (leftist) bias is against corporations (I work for one so I know whereof I speak) so when it comes to Kirby vs Marvel/Disney, my sympathies squarely lie with the former. This reflects in no way on my admiration for Stan.
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Mar 19 10 12:59 AM
ReviveTheRedRaven wrote: I am shocked, SHOCKED!! that the law is different for the rich and powerful corporations than the rest of us.
I am shocked, SHOCKED!! that the law is different for the rich and powerful corporations than the rest of us.
Mar 19 10 1:10 AM
Mar 19 10 2:27 AM
Kirby maintains that Goodman made promises that were not kept - so maybe he was not compensated in the manner he was lead to believe.
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