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Aug 7 09 10:09 AM
This thread definitely would've been hopping with many young readers in 1965.
Aug 7 09 10:14 AM
Aug 7 09 1:30 PM
VF, I think your fourth paragraph hits the nail on the head.
And Fjor, you charmer, you. Surely there were Internets as far back as Lincoln's time ... how else did Lee send word of his surrender?
Aug 7 09 1:53 PM
"Must wait an hour between proton bursts!" - the fanatical commandant
So the Hulk finally found a friend.
...for eleven panels.
Hey, at least he's learning the social graces - he didn't try to murder this one.
And it could be worse. At least this guy didn't leave him for Captain America. (Now that would've been a hysterical twist. And we probably
would've seen the events of Incredible Hulk #300 twenty years early.)
It's not hard to see why the Hulk liked the guy. He couldn't help but grow on the Hulk with encouraging, story-opening comments such as "Now you
must continue to smash". (I would've preferred for the Hulk to have concurred, with the ever-reliable "...Hulk smash!") On this
splash page, Ditko circumvents traditional splash etiquette by showing all characters facing away from the reader, so that he can present the proton
gun looming hugely and dramatically in the foreground and pointing at the back of the unsuspecting Hulk. It must be said - we have no way of knowing whether
the proton ray could've killed the Hulk, but the possibility exists that the Hulk might indeed have died if not for this ex-slave's "final
He's also a fast talker. Look how much he's able to say while the proton burst in en route between the gun and the Hulk:
We know from the commandant's own thoughts that there was only one proton burst. And surely he didn't hesitate to fire after he revealed his position
with his battle cry. So the Hulk's "defender" got out a full twenty-nine words while the ray was on its way. (Thirty, if we count
"unhhhh".) Now maybe in the second panel, he's hit prior to his first dialogue balloon but manages the monologue before finally succumbing. And I
suppose we must give thought to the possibility that the proton ray is extremely slow-moving. But if that were the case, surely the commandant would have crept
much closer, otherwise the Hulk would have had ample time to just leap out of the way, or indeed just saunter a few steps to the side. Either way, Mr. Altruism
gets out not less than two sentences before being hit by an already-fired beam. The timing of this sequence is especially evident on the Power Record, where
you hear the ray fired in the first panel ("ZEE-OWWWW"?), followed by all the spoken dialogue. Great great stuff.
The commandant high-tails it, and what is it with Ditko and fingers??
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Aug 7 09 11:32 PM
So using Occam's Razor..."Iron Man" in Tales of Suspense 64 takes place after Avengers #14. I should have known that, given the end of Avengers
#13, and read Avengers before Iron Man this month.
JiM 114, published between Avengers 13 and 14, nevertheless takes place either before Avengers 13 or after #14.
And there was a character called Ka-Zar appearing in one of Martin Goodman's pulps already in 1936.
Aug 8 09 12:34 AM
Thanks for the info, Adam.
I can't be the only one laughing my butt off here. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out, Storytime. This has to be the lengthiest Storytime
Family episode to date. A generational saga worthy of James Michener. The only thing missing was an appearance by Ty Cobb. I love it when the whole Family
talks at the same time and fights each other to get their own comments heard.
[Storytime:] And Giant-Man and the Wasp aren't world-famous?
[Storytime:] Wow. That's brutally honest.
[Spouse:] How can you not notice where he lives?
[Storytime:] Good point. You'd think people would remember him fixing the TV antenna and
[Storytime, to Son Younger:] What did you think of Madam Macabre?
[Younger:] She is a real corn-on-the-cob!
[Elder:] She's a juicy cob!
[Younger:] A juicy cob!
[Storytime:] It would appear to me to be the case that it was
all a lie.
[Spouse:] I just want to know, why wasn't the Wasp surprised that she got a note as the Wasp, and they
wanted her to wear her costume. If her identity was kept secret, wouldn't she always go as the
[Spouse:] Were they worried she'd get cold?
[Storytime:] "There'll be a draft at the art museum, so bring a wrap, dear."
[Son the Elder:] "I learned it all from the monks. But then that didn't work, so I just used
Abe Vigoda dude
[Spouse:] Schlemiel, schlemozzle. They hang out together. You know, all three of them together, it's
like the Three's Company of its day. It was very unheard of, that a woman and two guys, one of them being kind of an Igor type, would--
[Storytime:] So this was Stan Lee and Bob Powell being racy?
[Spouse:] Yeah, they were sharing a place, see. And then hilarity would ensue.
[Storytime:] Oooh, it was an interracial group as well. She was Chinese, and the two guys were . .
[Storytime:] And they're tiny when he carves them. Wouldn't it make more sense to carve them when
they're big, and then shrink them down?! That poor guy must be going blind. Could you imagine all the tiny gears he had to make in the
[Spouse:] Yes, the layouts were very good.
[Younger:] Madam Macabre was too cobby!
[Storytime:] Perhaps she stole something from Tony Stark's lab. [In best Tony Stark voice:] "I've been working on my new transistorized wig, but someone's stolen it! And here I was hoping to
cover up my bald spot in back."
[Younger, almost starting to cry:] Don't get him a transistor wig!
Aug 8 09 12:43 AM
I'm sorry that Spouse's time is being wasted on Giant-Man. Give this woman some Eighties comics. Give her Cerebus.
Oh, she was a big Cerebus fan back in the day. (Till Dave Sim went off his nut, anyway.)
I wasn't even aware that Tony Stark had an accent or any kind of verbal affectation!
I always figured he talked like a cross between Howard Hughes and Clark Gable. But maybe I'm just being unduly influenced by the mustache!
Aug 8 09 1:04 AM
you should really start up independent threads on the main Marvel Masterworks Board. I'm sure lots of folks outside the Marathon
would want to put in their two cents. (I got lots to say about the whole kids thing myself, fr'instance.)
As for the "Continuity: Gift or Curse" thing, I'm sure most of us feel it's one of the greatest gifts in comics history, but you're
right, it would be fascinating to delve into Lee's problems stemming from it and what his solutions were. But I think there would ensue lots of specifics
about post-1964 stories, which I myself would have to skip over anyway, because I haven't read past 1964 yet except for the two Ditko series and I
wouldn't want to read spoilers. But I'm sure you'd get a lot of fascinating responses to such a thread.
That brings up something else that occurred to me recently. I have the impression that I'm the only Marathon Man who hasn't already read most
of these issues already. In some ways, I wish I had found them when I was little (I read my share, of course, but was more of a 70's-80's guy.) On the
other hand, it sure is a treat to be experiencing them for the first time. I read the two Ditko series in Pocket Books, and everything in the Firesides, and
many of the Treasuries, and lots of floppy reprints, but I never got around to reading the rest of the Marvel Silver Age past the first few years (other than
Ditko). This is an entire new wealth of material that's mostly new to me and I'm so happy to finally be experiencing it. I probably wouldn't have
sat down and read it all comprehensively like this if not for the Marathon. It's excruciating to be reading it so slowly, but I do like spending time
really getting to know every issue and I like the feel of waiting for the monthly slate like in real time. I'm really glad you guys are here to crack jokes
with about the stuff and to clue me in on things I would never realize if I was reading alone. This is by far the best reading club I've ever belonged to.
What blows my mind is that I'm planning on reading the entire Marvel output of three decades, if not more. That's a lot of comics to be seeing for the
first time and quite an entertainment venue to last well into my sixties. I just hope the Masterworks and TP's can keep up with us.
We should all diet and exercise so we can stay in the Marathon as long as humanly possible. (That sentence sounds like it makes more sense than it
Aug 8 09 1:08 AM
Oh, she was a big Cerebus fan back in the day. (Till Dave Sim went off his nut, anyway.)
But maybe I'm just being unduly influenced by the mustache!
Aug 9 09 10:30 PM
That brings up something else that occurred to me recently. I have the impression that I'm the only Marathon Man who hasn't already read
most of these issues already. In some ways, I wish I had found them when I was little (I read my share, of course, but was more of a 70's-80's guy.)
On the other hand, it sure is a treat to be experiencing them for the first time. I read the two Ditko series in Pocket Books, and everything in the
Firesides, and many of the Treasuries, and lots of floppy reprints, but I never got around to reading the rest of the Marvel Silver Age past the first few
years (other than Ditko). This is an entire new wealth of material that's mostly new to me and I'm so happy to finally be experiencing it. I probably
wouldn't have sat down and read it all comprehensively like this if not for the Marathon. It's excruciating to be reading it so slowly, but I do like
spending time really getting to know every issue and I like the feel of waiting for the monthly slate like in real time. I'm really glad you guys are
here to crack jokes with about the stuff and to clue me in on things I would never realize if I was reading alone. This is by far the best reading club
I've ever belonged to. What blows my mind is that I'm planning on reading the entire Marvel output of three decades, if not more. That's a lot of
comics to be seeing for the first time and quite an entertainment venue to last well into my sixties. I just hope the Masterworks and TP's can keep up
Aug 9 09 10:46 PM
I wonder what it is about the site that doesn't draw in youngsters. Is it eventually just going to be a site full of guys aged 50 and up??
Aug 10 09 12:10 AM
Welcome back, Spinner Rack. (Hey, that rhymes...)
Might as well put in my two cents on the whole age thing. I think a lot of reason why we don't get more youngins here is that this site truly is designed
by the middle aged for the middle aged. Which is fine by me. The site itself, with its emphasis on words over picture, no video, no games, etc., isn't
designed to capture kids' attention. It focuses on expensive hardcover reprint books that kids probably can't afford. It's steeped in nostalgia, a
turn-off for kids right there. People here (like me !) go on and on and on about the minutia of production
values, which kids simply don't get or care about--just think back on how cr*ppy the repro was in all those Treasuries and Pocket Books and Fireside TPBs
that we loved to death as kids. I couldn't have cared less about production values as a kid--hell, my friend
George would actually cut his favorite panels out of his comics and make huge poster-sized montages with the clippings! (Although, I must admit, even as a kid
I knew his behavior to be deeply, morally wrong. )
And, more fundamentally, like Spinner Rack said, the books we love and discuss here are just plain old, old, old.
When I was a kid my dad picked up that two-part Steranko History of Comics for me. I made it half-way through
volume one, became convinced that it was neeeever going to make it past the Golden Age, and gave up. Those comics were fossils, man. The Silver Age stuff, although not precisely contemporary to me as a kid in the 70s, were still of my
era--they formed the comics zeitgeist still in operation a decade later. Kids today, steeped in manga, anime, computer graphics, and the like, just don't
relate to the Silver Age drawing style. Even Son the Elder initially gravitated to Yu-Gi-Oh when left to his old devices. Those comics were, in a word,
his. It's only now, after about three years of continual brainwashing with oldschool art, that he'll walk over to the bookshelf, grab a
Masterworks (lately it's been Atlas era stuff or even EC horror books), and just dig in independently without my asking "Hey, ya want me to read you
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