famac wrote:
Finally, and I've made this point before: what did Kirby really create in Marvel's franchise?

Now this makes no sense whatsoever.  You're suggesting that if a character has any sort of antecedents or was in part inspired by earlier characters, it's not an original creation?  By that standard, nothing is an original creation.  I guess nobody at Marvel really created anything then.  I don't see how Kirby's creations are any different than those of anyone else, yet you seem to be suggesting that his work was less original or more derivative than others', which strikes me as bizarre.