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Feb 8 12 11:00 PM
Fin Fang Foom wrote:A boycott threat did help in the Siegel/Shuster case, though. Maybe history will kinda repeat itself?Was there really ever the effective threat of a boycott in that instance? I don't recall ever hearing that the effort was that well organized outside of comics -- what really got this issue moving back in the day (at least, from what I remember reading) were well-placed and well-informed people actually taking the story to the media and to DC and Warner Bros.
(Honestly, even with the very best of intentions and the loudest of protests, comic book readers just don't strike me as an effective force when the threat is a boycott.)
A boycott threat did help in the Siegel/Shuster case, though. Maybe history will kinda repeat itself?
In 1975 after news reports of their pauper-like existences, Warner Communications
gave Siegel and Shuster lifetime pensions of $20,000 per year and
health care benefits. Jay Emmett, then executive vice president of
Warner Bros., was quoted in the New York Times as stating, "There is no legal obligation, but I sure feel there is a moral obligation on our part."
Feb 8 12 11:07 PM
Feb 8 12 11:23 PM
Well, Jerry Siegel sure advocated a boycott: he wrote (in his press release to the media that kicked it all off), "I hope loyal SUPERMAN fans stay away from it in droves. I hope the whole world, becoming aware of the stench that surrounds SUPERMAN, will avoid the movie like a plague."
Feb 9 12 1:12 AM
I think FFF is suggesting that, instead of organizing it among comics blogs and comics readers and such, to take it to a much broader, much more public audience. In this case, instead of spreading it among comic websites, spread it among news sites, and spread it higher up to such a point that Disney has to notice.
Feb 9 12 1:19 AM
Feb 9 12 7:44 AM
DavidTai wrote:I think FFF is suggesting that, instead of organizing it among comics blogs and comics readers and such, to take it to a much broader, much more public audience. In this case, instead of spreading it among comic websites, spread it among news sites, and spread it higher up to such a point that Disney has to notice.
Comic book readers as a group is relatively small. News media spreading it rather than Bleeding Cool and other comic book media would probably be more impactful.
Feb 9 12 10:47 AM
Fin Fang Foom wrote:I still find the idea of these petitions to be a weak, passive response -- you could get a zillion signatures, but if there's nobody to bring them to the attention of someone who can make a difference (didn't seem to be any provision for doing so on the petition, not that I could find), and nobody to act as an advocate on behalf (that seems to be what made the difference for Siegel and Shuster), I think there's a limit to the kind of difference that can make.
If you want to fight this, at least take the fight to Marvel.
I don't think an organized boycott is a bad idea (and the tools to organize are available to us all to do so in ways that were almost unimaginable in the mid-1970s) -- but having spent more than 30 years in comics fandom, I just don't have that much faith in comic book fans that most of 'em will do better than chase after their own self-interests.
Feb 9 12 1:06 PM
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Feb 9 12 6:34 PM
Matthew McCallum wrote:
Mike, I wish the petition in question was those four bolded sentences.Me, too. Despite how it looks, I'm not at all a fan of boycotts. A boycott threat did help in the Siegel/Shuster case, though. Maybe history will kinda repeat itself?
Matthew McCallum wrote:
Mike, I wish the petition in question was those four bolded sentences.
Feb 9 12 10:06 PM
Feb 9 12 10:57 PM
Feb 10 12 8:42 AM
Matthew McCallum wrote:It's the editorial such as "paid a few dollars a page" which makes it sound like Kirby was conscripted against his will into something akin to a press gang. And the lines like "created or co-created" followed by a list of chracters that Kirby co-created and "acknowledge Jack Kirby's authorship and primary role in the creation" which suggests Stan Lee and company had little to nothing to do with the process.I'm a huge Kirby booster, but I do not believe you cure historical injustice by denying or slighting the contributions of others.
Feb 10 12 11:34 AM
Feb 10 12 10:51 PM
Sometimes it seems that certain comics fans would stand outside soup kitchens to let people know why the needy don't actually deserve soup. I'd hope it's not really that crucial to wave the "No Sympathy From Me, Sucker" flag.
Feb 10 12 11:36 PM
Feb 11 12 10:20 AM
Fin Fang Foom wrote:I hope that's not meant to imply that honest, thoughtful discussion of dissenting opinions about this amounts to "No sympathy."
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