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Oct 8 09 1:03 AM
Golden Age
Oct 8 09 1:26 AM
Oct 8 09 5:20 PM
The Red Skull returns!
Oh my, another of those "bad alien tries to conquer the world only to be taken out by his space-buddies at the end" stories. They're so.. 1962, don't you think?
By the time I was 3, I was absorbing issues from this period left and right.
However, even Ang Lee didn't have the Hulk pull up a road like it was a strip of carpet. Awful, neither the first nor last time Marvel did this ridiculous stunt.
Oh yeah, on page 13 the Melter welds Iron Man on the roof of a building, and we see the Melter attack with his ray "to full intensity"... But on page 17 they both are on ground, and Iron Man says "I was hoping I'd find you again, buster!" Uh, WTF?
First Odin doesn't believe Thor, but then suddenly Thor's word is his bond. What gives, All-Daddy?!?
Why don't they just shave off her hair? She'd have no more powers!
Hard to imagine it's the same guy who once pulled goofy David Blaine-style stunts just for the publicity and lived in a Hefner-style bachelor pad back in the pages of Strange Tales.
Uh, VisualFiction? You know how you were joking about taking orders for "I Survived Reading Every Issue of Giant-Man" T-shirts? I wear a medium.
From what I gather, by this point in the 60s all of Marvel's pencillers were responsible for the bulk of the plotting (Wood later claimed that Stan gave him no help whatsoever with the stories for Daredevil),
[Elder:]It thought it was good. I liked all the magical spells they used. ***starts bending his hands into odd Ditko-inspired poses***
[Interviewer: That means "forever". You know in Hebrew prayers, when they say "L'Olam V'Ed"?--till the end of time, forever and ever, the universe, everything, the whole shooting match, you know what I mean?] [Elder:]I'll have to think on it.
[Younger:]If one has powers, then the other can't get married.
[Son the Elder interrupts with a spontaneous song:] "And then/There will/Be power/And destroy/The Dread/Dormammu…" [Spouse:]
But I think other people will rise up, because he's violated his agreement, and there must be eternal consequences. [Son the Elder:] But he didn't technically, because he never came here physically. [Spouse:] I think he did violate his agreement--I think he got overzealous when he took over Mordo's body.
This story arc in particular reads almost like a modern-day, effects-driven movie.
Hmm, kinda disappointing to see Steve and Stan use the same old plot device in connection with the same old villain. I mean, when Mysterio was introduced in #13, he caused Spider-Man to question his own sanity, and here Mysterio does the same thing again!
[Interviewer: What did you think of his plan to sue the human race to get control of the surface world? Do you think that was a smart plan?] [Younger:]No. Well it would be for him, because he's kind of stupid.
[Younger:]He doesn't do the right things that he's supposed to do right. Like, tell them "I need to go to Atlantis," but not break out of jail, just tell them, "I need to go really badly."
[Interviewer: What would your plan be?] [Younger:]To, like, get someone else in the water, so I don't have to fight all the bad guys.
[Elder:]There wasn't much Daredevil, more of lawyer.
[Elder:] Oh, and riding on turtles to get out of the sea: Weird. Like, "I will ride on my little pet turtles. Go!!"
[Interviewer: How about his plan to start breaking things until they arrested him? Was that smarter?] [Elder:]If you wanted to be sued, yes! And if you just wanted to get people mad, also yes.
[Interviewer: What do you think Namor is going to do now? [Elder:]He's going to sue Krang.
Andy Yanchus didn't start working for Marvel until the mid-1970s. Before that, he worked at Aurora Plastics, and hired Dave Cockrum to design their Monsters of the Movies model kits (these were new designs, not the ones from the 1960s that were advertised on the back covers of Silver Age DC comics). The 1965 colourist was probably Stan Goldberg or Sol Brodsky.
I don't have the story nearby, but that wasn't supposed to be General Ross.
This was brought up in a marathon thread a few months back - the most logical assumption is that Steve brought back the earlier villan The Demon, and had some note in the margin simply labelled "demon", and Stan didn't recognize the character and wrote the dialouge as it it was some random demon working for Mordo.
It's also a bit unclear whether he was intended to have any connection to Mordo or not in this story, but I assume he didn't, and simply grabbed the opportunity to invade Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum since it had supposedly been abandoned and left unprotected
The only reason I can think of is that Creel was intended to distract Thor so Loki could drag Jane off the Asgard.
It's actually possible he expected Odin to notice the two fighting, too, which allows him to blame Thor for bringing Jane to Asgard.
If Thor created helium around Creel and Creel turned on his absorbation powers while the helium surrounded him, then said helium and helium-Creel would drift upwards together, which means helium-Creel would be surrounded by nothing but helium, and couldn't turn into anything else. Helium helium helium.
Steve did indeed originally become Captain America before the start of WW2. Issue #13 of the original Cap series has a very famous "we're now at war" cover.
the draft began in late 1940, well over a year before the US entered the war.
Oct 8 09 7:03 PM
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Oct 8 09 7:59 PM
Bronze Age
...how is Superman in a "spot" at the cover of Superman #176? His real name is Kal-el, not Clark Kent. I also bet you a buck the entire point of that story was riding on the kids not actually realizing that was the case.
I'm not following that. I'm sure it's simple, but I'm just confused. By "two" do you mean Thor and Creel or Thor and Loki?
Thor and Loki.
And why would Odin be more likely to think Thor brought Jane to Asgard simply because Thor was fighting?
Odin has somewhat of a track record of distrusting Thor. I assume Stan is going for him being so frustrated with Thor's love life that he constantly assumes the worst, but it really doesn't mesh well with the way we're constantly reminded of how "All-wise" he is.
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Oct 10 09 11:13 AM
VisualFiction wrote: I don't have the story nearby, but that wasn't supposed to be General Ross. I'm pretty embarrassed that I even thought that was Ross. It's obviously not Ross, it doesn't look like him. Thanks, Scott. dad, it's not LBJ, it's some General at a military installation.
Oct 10 09 6:48 PM
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Oct 13 09 7:25 PM
Adamantno1 wrote: ...how is Superman in a "spot" at the cover of Superman #176? His real name is Kal-el, not Clark Kent. I also bet you a buck the entire point of that story was riding on the kids not actually realizing that was the case.
Superman and Supergirl win no popularity contests in Metropolis or Midvale when, for one 24-hour period, they tell the unvarnished truth or give their honest opinion whenever asked. When Superman has to testify at a trial, the lawyer for the plaintiff insists on having him write his secret identity's name on a blackboard--which he does, then wipes away before anyone can see it. When asked to give the location of his Fortress of Solitude, Superman gives the coordinates for his long-abandoned underwater Fortress. Finally, Supergirl and Superman shrink themselves and go to Kandor, where they and the Kandorians celebrate the Day of Truth. This is a holiday observed in honor of the ancient hero Val-Lor, who spoke up boldly against the Vrang invaders who oppressed Kryptonians, died for his words, and sparked a revolt that liberated Krypton. Later, Superman and Supergirl reveal what they had to do to their friends, and are forgiven.
Oct 14 09 2:10 PM
the lawyer for the plaintiff insists on having him write his secret identity's name on a blackboard--which he does, then wipes away before anyone can see it.
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Jan 16 10 3:26 PM
Silver Age
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Jan 26 10 1:33 AM
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Jan 26 10 1:38 AM
Son of Storytime the Younger says about 115:[Interviewer: What would you do if you were Odin? Would you trust Loki?]No. I would just think and think and think and think until the day’s over, and then like, “I won’t believe you.”[Interviewer: So, what did you think of the fight with the Absorbing Man?]I think it was good. [Interviewer: Did you guess how Thor was going to outsmart him?]I thinked he was going to outsmart him, is like, um, with the cops, and the cops were going to surround him, and he was going to break water on him--when he’s not looking, when Thor does it because he’s flying--he’s going to throw water on him, and then he becomes water, and then use the hammer throw, and then he died. [Interviewer: Anything else you want to say about this issue?]I know why Odin is stupid.[Interviewer: Why?]He is very old. That’s why he’s very stupid.[Interviewer: So all old people are stupid?! That seems prejudiced.]Since he didn’t go to God School, he’s really stupid, so he didn’t learn God Stuff.[Interviewer: What did you think of the Tales of Asgard this time? Did you like it?]Yeah.[Interviewer: Did you like the art?]Pretty good. But I don’t like the dots that much. [Interviewer: Oh, you mean Vince Colletta’s scratchy inking?]Yeah, I don’t really like that.[Interviewer: Well, it’s an acquired taste. Some people love it, some people hate it. I think it works on Thor, but no on other Kirby series.]Like Ant-Man?[Interviewer: Well, I think Colletta works well with artists who don’t have as bold of a line. Anything else you want to say about this Tales of Asgard story?]Yeah. This was Loki’s first grown-up scheme. I think now I know why he’s so evil: He started evil, when he was a baby, cause he lived with the giants, and now he’s mean . . . meaner, cause Thor always plays around, and he knows he’s going to win. Well, Loki thinks he’s going to win, but Thor almost always wins.
Jan 26 10 1:44 AM
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Jan 27 10 3:35 AM
Adamantno1 wrote: ...speaking of Jane, apparently neither Stan nor Jack got the note that Thor is supposed to be married to Siv. Maybe THAT's why Odin is so annoyed at Thor's escapades - he's cheating on his wife.
Jan 28 10 5:05 PM
Jan 28 10 6:10 PM
[Elder:] You know, Odin never takes the time to go through the past, actually. I guess he has his motto, “I leave the past behind me.”
He’d be like, “Oh my god!
[Interviewer: So, what did you think of the fight with the Absorbing Man?
...Did you guess how Thor was going to outsmart him?
Younger: I thinked he was going to outsmart him, is like, um, with the cops, and the cops were going to surround him, and he was going to break water on him--when he’s not looking, when Thor does it because he’s flying--he’s going to throw water on him, and then he becomes water, and then use the hammer throw, and then he died.
Younger: I know why Odin is stupid.
Interviewer: Why?
He is very old. That’s why he’s very stupid.
Interviewer: So all old people are stupid?! That seems prejudiced.
Since he didn’t go to God School, he’s really stupid, so he didn’t learn God Stuff.
If he can absorb stuff, Thor should throw, like, a gust of air
If he touched the moon, he could become, like, moon.
Interviewer: But then he’d be stuck on the moon, right?
Younger: Loki’s like, “I didn’t do anything! Thor done the worst amount of damage. He was with his belovable Jane Foster!”
Younger: No, no, no, I changed my answer, about Odin being stupid. Probably he knows that he’s doing, then he forgets cause he’s so old.
Spouse: I have a notion. So, what does it really matter if Odin lets him hang out with Jane Foster? He’s immortal, right? What’s 70 years?! Wait, not even--they could get divorced after ten! What’s that? That’s, like, an instant to an immortal. So what does Odin care?
Interviewer: So you think Odin’s making a big deal out of nothing?
It’s just really controlling.
Interviewer: Well, he is Thor’s father. Heck, he’s the All Father. Sometimes us dads just have trouble letting go.
After seeing Jane getting old and dying, and him not, that’d probably be the last time Thor would ever fall in love with a mortal. Just let your kids make their own mistakes already.
VF, I laughed out loud when I read what you had discovered in the letters column.
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